[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome to the Four Wards Podcast.
Hey, what's up? It's Eric Bra, voice of Draven Jerks and Velkoz.
And you're listening to the Four Wards Podcast here to help you move forward in league.
Hello and welcome to episode 488 of the Four Wards podcast. That's right, I'm back. I'm your host, Jack Zoman. I was only gone for a week. You guys. Calm down. Calm down. Stop trying to burn the house down while I'm gone. And I've got three wards with me. We got the two troublemakers from last week. We've got Mike of many names.
[00:00:55] Speaker B: I lost my title, but I'm still the most present now.
[00:00:59] Speaker A: And we've got Codex Ninja League of Legends.
And we've also got Pillow Pet returning from a little bit of a hiatus. We're happy to have you back, my guy.
[00:01:09] Speaker C: I'm glad to be back. Hopefully I can be a little more present. Got the next couple weeks off, so.
[00:01:15] Speaker A: Hell yeah. Guys, we do have a Discord. Come join the Discord. Come hang out. Come ask questions in our question Submission channel. Talk to me about anime chat in the esports chat or just vent about terrible people in your games. We have a channel literally just for that. Please keep it contained to that channel. But that's what it's there for.
It's a good time. Come join the Discord link is in the episode description. We look forward to seeing you there. Some of us do Stream on Twitch. I can be found at Twitch TV Jacksonman where I will be actually streaming again soon now that I'm back home from Canada.
Expect at least two Super Metroid streams this week and probably some Path of Exile. And maybe some League Mike can be found at Twitch tv. Mike of many names. You streaming anything lately or upcoming?
[00:02:06] Speaker B: The next thing on the docket for me to be streaming because of the sales I've been meaning to get it. I'm gonna be going through Ghost of Tsushima soon.
[00:02:14] Speaker A: I've heard that's a really good game.
[00:02:16] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been on my list to try and do. I originally was going to wait until I got a PS5, but when it came to PC I went well, I don't need to buy a PS5 now.
[00:02:26] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:02:27] Speaker B: But I'm not going to pay $70. Seems they'll save me.
[00:02:31] Speaker A: How. How much is it down to? My wife really wants to play that 45. I might pick that up for her. We'll see.
She wants to buy the new Morgana skin. I might try to talk her into getting goes. As you see, Tsushima instead.
[00:02:44] Speaker C: Is the new. Is the new one out? I must not have been paying attention. Or is that the, like, remaster or something?
[00:02:49] Speaker B: This is the.
The mate. Like the special edition, the one that comes with the dlc. I just hadn't played the original one yet.
[00:02:57] Speaker C: Oh, it's so good.
[00:02:58] Speaker B: Like, yeah, I've been meaning to play the whole time. I know almost none of the story. The things that I know about it. It's 90 plus hours of gameplay. It's beautiful and it has a great story. Good gameplay. Like, okay, I can't wait to see it.
[00:03:11] Speaker C: We're not a general gaming, like, podcast, so I'm not gonna like, hang on it long. But the only quarrel I had with the game is it followed the same identity as like every other one of those map exploration games. Like, oh, hey, high point.
Get the map intel and then like, go here, collect that. It followed that trope. But as far as the game itself, it was beautiful. Gorgeous game.
[00:03:38] Speaker A: It is a very, very overplayed trope that is even in some games I really like.
[00:03:45] Speaker B: Like, it was only 40 bucks.
[00:03:46] Speaker A: Zero, dawn. Sweet. I will. I will check that out. Pillow Pet. I assume you haven't been streaming because you've been busy, but now that you're off for a couple weeks, what are you going to be streaming?
[00:03:57] Speaker C: So I have been really deep into wow. The last couple weeks when I have my free time, I've been playing like Mr. Pandaria classics getting ready to come out. So I've been diving deep into catac.
I got my friend group back in there playing, so I got their resub. So we've been playing that. Oh, this is exciting. This is really exciting for all the WoW nerds out there.
So we got Bouncers collecty Collector Month going on. So you have increased drop chances on all like your rare mounts and your.
Your transmogs for like, legendaries and things like that. Better drop chances on it. I got Invincible off the Lich King. I have been trying.
[00:04:40] Speaker B: Good job.
[00:04:41] Speaker C: I have been trying to get that mount for 10 years and I got.
[00:04:46] Speaker B: It since it came out.
[00:04:47] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh yeah. I've been playing.
[00:04:50] Speaker B: It's almost 20 years now, man.
[00:04:52] Speaker C: But I'm saying I've been farming it for 10 years every week going into ICC. Maybe not every week, but I haven't really missed a whole lot. But I finally got it my first time in the Collector's Bounty and I was like, I never have to see this raid ever again.
[00:05:10] Speaker B: So it's a Nice feeling.
[00:05:12] Speaker C: But yeah, I'm gonna probably be streaming when Miss Pottery comes out. I gotta probably be streaming some league if I get into it. I gotta get a new webcam, so.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: Hopefully some Pillow pet streams soon at Twitch tv. Pillowpet. And we're still trying to bully Codex into it.
[00:05:27] Speaker D: Yeah, we did get a number of questions. I feel super bad that I did not actually count them, but I got it. I gotta give you gotta give guys props. You did good, but you need to keep doing good.
[00:05:40] Speaker A: Yes, keep it up.
Speaking of sending us questions, let's get to the shout outs and all that so we can get to the main show. We got a shout out to Codex, Ninja, Pillow Pet.
Excuse me, and Robegon for supporting the podcast at the shout out tier. Robogon's just trying to kill me psychically, apparently.
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Alright, so this one's pretty much just for me and Mike because we're the ones who've been watching. I was gone last week because I was in Vancouver, British Columbia watching the League of Legends Mid Season Invitational live in person.
And as we're recording this, the the next round of games has just begun like literally less than two hours ago.
So we're just gonna talk briefly, me and Mike, about the first two series the teams played and just general thoughts on MSI because holy shit, I had so much fun you guys. Like if you get a chance to go see live League of Legends, even if you're not a huge esports fan, just fucking go. If you're in town when it's happening, just fucking go get tickets. It's so much Fun.
[00:07:44] Speaker B: They're generally cheaper than most sports game series tickets. It's significantly blast.
[00:07:51] Speaker A: Like let me put this in context. This is in Vancouver bc. This is not the finals or anything. These were just like first five days of mainstage. My tickets were like 45 bucks Canadian per day which got me depending on the day. It was like 45 and then 55 for the days where there were two series.
So like pretty reasonable. Much cheaper than sports tickets are.
And that was for the one series days. That's at least three games. So like three hours of entertainment minimum up to five. And for the two series days, that was six to ten hours. I was there from noon until like seven or eight at night every day that it was a two game, two series day. Fucking amazing.
The, the crowd, energy feeling, people screaming and cheering and oh and all of it is just incredible.
[00:08:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I was at NA's finals two years ago when they came to Chicago and two days was maybe 60 bucks, 80 bucks for tickets total. One of my favorite events I've ever been to. So much fun, so much energy and if, hey, if any of you are in town, you get to talk to us. You get to meet us. I met a couple people that I'd been talking to online for a while. It was such a good time.
[00:09:17] Speaker A: It's a lot of fun. So so far in the tournament, spoiler warning. If you have not watched MSI and want to and don't want to be spoiled, please skip ahead a bit. I'll try to remember to put a timestamp in the episode description for where you should skip ahead to. But let's be real. I'm dumb. I'm gonna forget, but I will try.
So Mike, we Get Gen G vs T1 coming up in the next couple days for the two winning teams that have not yet dropped a series, one of them is going to be in the finals.
Do you think anyone can compete with the loser of that to make it to the finals and not just have a rematch a couple days later?
[00:09:58] Speaker B: Unless there's some serious leveling up by teams from the lower bracket Run. No.
[00:10:03] Speaker A: So you pretty much expect Gen GT1 winners. Honestly then Gen G, T1 grand finals.
[00:10:08] Speaker B: The more likely case if T1 wins, someone else will be able to beat Gen G because Gen G breaks when they lose to T1.
[00:10:17] Speaker A: True.
Fair enough. And we know this because these rosters are mostly the same as they were last year. If you watched Worlds last year, I think 4/5 of both rosters are the same.
[00:10:27] Speaker B: Yeah, about.
[00:10:28] Speaker A: I think they changed Support on Gen G and top laner on T1. And that's the only changes to the roster from last year.
[00:10:35] Speaker B: And it's. It's looking a lot of the same.
[00:10:38] Speaker A: I briefly want to touch on that. What the fuck? T1 made such a downgrade.
Doran is so much worse than zeus. It's.
[00:10:46] Speaker B: It's 90% of the time Doran is worse than zeus. And then 10% of the time Doran crushes Zeus.
[00:10:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. It's just in watching these games, I very much have been like.
[00:10:57] Speaker B: It's been noticeably.
[00:10:58] Speaker A: Wow. Doran's laning phase sucks.
[00:11:01] Speaker B: Doran is noticeably worse than Zeus. And then Suddenly for like 10% of a game, he kicks it and fucks.
[00:11:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, so the teams that are still in the game in the lower bracket are anyone's legend, which are the Chinese champions?
BLG, the Chinese runner ups, FlyQuest from North America and CFO or CTBC flying.
[00:11:26] Speaker B: Oysters, one of the best names of.
[00:11:28] Speaker A: All time from Southeast Asia.
[00:11:30] Speaker B: Who forgot Billy.
[00:11:31] Speaker A: Billy faced. No, I said blg. Did I miss the runner up from China? I said the whole thing.
[00:11:36] Speaker B: I missed something. Yeah, you know, you're good.
[00:11:38] Speaker A: It's fine.
Who do you think makes it to that third place match?
[00:11:44] Speaker B: Well, there's a game going on right now that we don't get to see the answer to.
[00:11:48] Speaker A: Don't spoil where that's at because I think two games have passed by now.
[00:11:52] Speaker B: Of that I don't know.
All I know is that it's going on right now. If CFO plays like they did versus T1, I think they might be able to beat Al.
[00:12:02] Speaker A: I think if they can beat Al, they beat BLG too. Because I don't think FlyQuest beats BLG. I think they get fucking crashed.
[00:12:08] Speaker B: I think Flag would beat blg. I think BLG did the same thing they broke when they faced T1. I think they're going to lose. And Fly doesn't seem to care. When they lose big. Like when they lost to Al, they just ramped and shit on G2.
[00:12:23] Speaker A: I. I'm on board for this narrative. So you think it's going to be Fly versus anyone's legend or cfo. Who do you think wins that?
[00:12:32] Speaker B: If. If CFO wins, I think they go. If AL wins, I think they probably go. I want Fly to win. But I don't think unless they think. Unless they learned a ton from their game versus AL in the first place, I do not think they beat them.
[00:12:50] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:12:51] Speaker B: And I think CFL will just carry momentum.
[00:12:53] Speaker A: That. That's where I was going is if it winds up being fly versus anyone legend, that's a rematch. We've already had that. Best of five. Do you think. Do you think it goes the same way again?
[00:13:02] Speaker B: I think at best, unless FlyQuest pulls, I think they can bring it to a 3:2. But they need to pull something else out of their ass or they need to step up in a couple of roles in specific.
[00:13:13] Speaker A: Fair enough. All right, so it sounds like we mostly agree because I also think CFO has more potential than any of the other remaining teams in the lower bracket.
[00:13:22] Speaker B: They showed so well versus D1.
[00:13:26] Speaker A: They looked so good and then they.
[00:13:28] Speaker B: Kind of crapped on him.
[00:13:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, they did. It was brutal. Mcoh somehow got a game and I'm still not sure how.
[00:13:37] Speaker B: Decisiveness. That's pretty much it.
[00:13:39] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, that's enough. Like esports. Esports talk.
But yeah, I just. I just wanted to briefly touch on that. This is the kind of stuff we sometimes do on the pre show, guys, if you want to join the patreon, you'll get to hear whatever we feel like talking about that week. Sometimes it's talking about esports, sometimes it's talking about other video games that we've played, talking about experiences in trying to become homeowners and like adulting. Like it runs the gamut. It's whatever the hell happens.
So let's talk about an actual like four wards topic now.
So here's the premise.
Riot announces what, six to eight champions a year? Something in that range, Maybe five.
[00:14:23] Speaker B: Yeah, about there.
[00:14:24] Speaker A: Somewhere around there.
[00:14:25] Speaker B: Between reworks and new champions. Yeah.
[00:14:28] Speaker A: So this does not necessarily have to pertain to the current upcoming champion, Yunara, but let's say Riot shows off a new champion, whatever it is. And your immediate reaction on seeing the preview, seeing the trailer, seeing the character art or the splash or the porn of it or whatever. Whatever it is that your exposure is to it that makes you go, oh my God, I need to play this character. It's a brand new character. No one knows the correct way to build it yet. How the fuck do you learn?
[00:15:00] Speaker B: Yeah, this sort of popped out as we were talking about Ynara and I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, I remember the last champion that came out, Mel, seeing some of her gameplay and going, I want. I want to play this. I want to play this now.
She looks so fun.
[00:15:16] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: But a lot of people really like. And we've talked about it plenty of times, we think people are building Them wrong because of how we've seen things work, how we've figured gameplays play out. So you really. The first thing you need to do is get a rough idea on what their abilities actually do, what, what they function as.
First core thing. Because there is a chance you love the theme of the character, you love how they look, you like it, and then you play them and you go, oh, not what I was hoping for.
[00:15:53] Speaker A: Okay, we have a perfect example of that.
So many people wanted to play Victor because of arcane and they tried playing Viktor and they went, wow. His bread and butter main skill that he uses is the clunkiest shit in the world to actually aim fuck this champion. Because Victor's E is his like primary. It's his first max. It's primary ability and it uses vector targeting the same way Rumble's ult does. It is awkward if you are not familiar.
[00:16:21] Speaker B: Yeah, it takes a lot of getting used to it and it's what keeps a lot of people from playing Rumble now just bars them from ever playing Victor.
[00:16:30] Speaker A: Yeah, so that's. I think the. The first thing is you. You first and foremost, you need to just actually like put your hands on the champion and confirm whatever caused you initially to be like, I must learn this champion. Do you still feel that way after having piloted them at all?
[00:16:50] Speaker D: So I have a.
So I have, like, if you need to be type A and need an actual process because, you know that's how you live your life is with spreadsheets and lists and stuff.
I have two processes for encountering a new thing.
I specifically, I kind of remember, like, who's the bunny one?
[00:17:14] Speaker B: Aurora.
[00:17:15] Speaker D: Aurora, yeah. So Aurora, like, I knew I wasn't gonna play it because I'm an EDC person for life. Right. Like, it's gonna take a lot to move me away from that role. But she looks so fun. She like hippity hops and all that crap. And I was. I was excited about it. So I have my casual, like, I know I'm not gonna like main that champion, but. But I want to know what she does because he looks fun, you know. So I will take her for like 15 minutes in practice tool and just understand what the spells do. I would do this in an Aram. The only problem is you can't just select, you know, Aurora to go into Aram.
And then I just, you know, played after, after. Like I said 15 max, 20 minutes in practice school. I go into norms with my friends and I don't worry about a build because I'm just using the recommender tool from, from Riot.
I would say if you're doing it this style, I, I put some thought into what, what crushes Aurora, right? Like what, what does Aurora hate? And, and try and like, like use another champ because it's going to be the, the thing that you're playing against like specifically because you know Yannara is, is gonna be in my lane, right.
Figuring out what, what does Ynara struggle against and playing that is. Is usually what I try. So. Yep.
And for Sirius.
So obviously I am going to play the out of Ynara.
So the first thing I always do is that I do just kind of a guess with what, what I think builds are going to be and I focus on the first two items. So for Ynara specifically, I believe that Yuntal into Hurricane is her core.
I could be wrong about this. Like, you know, we can talk about that or whatever but you try and.
[00:19:07] Speaker A: Figure out we'll talk about that once she's actually out. And we've had much higher sample size to see what's good and isn't exactly.
[00:19:14] Speaker D: So I make a.
Not a thesis. I make a guess, right?
[00:19:20] Speaker A: Educated guess, a theory, crafting theory.
[00:19:23] Speaker D: Theory.
So I make my theory. I think that this is her, her core build.
And then I make an item set in, in the client I already have my item set with all my buttons. Like, like already like, like you know, potions are here, wards are there, all that stuff.
So then I have the entire full build like, like SETI and forget. So I can just like boom, boom, boom, boom boom.
Don't even have to think about it. I go into practice tool and if I have two builds, for example, like right now I'm just very excited that now I think this is it. If I do have like there's some sort of data that I'm seeing that's like okay, it's either this build or that build. Like it's. It's nature's or Yuntal first, right. I go into practice tool at two items and compare damage to see like is there a demonstrable difference between that build versus that build at two items.
I'll usually then run a butt game until like you know, two items. I'd say it's about 20 minutes, like maybe a little longer until I'm just like killing the bots because I'm way higher level, way more gold, all that stuff.
I then do normals for 10 games because I feel that like 10 to 15 is usually the amount of time that you need to get like to really understand where you can like yep, I need to push my W like of instead instantaneously with your muscle memory. Once you're actually past that, I believe you should just go in straight and ranked.
There's. There's no reason like I mean assuming that you play ranked and then about two to three days after the the new champion or the rework or whatever it is has. Has dropped I go in and check on you know, obg. I pay for coach lists like in any of the the data sites just to like hey, am I like wildly off here so.
But yeah that's the typing process.
[00:21:09] Speaker A: Keep the mindset. If you are taking it into ranked new champions regardless of power level are the most banned champion on their patch or first does not matter.
That too. That too but like it doesn't matter. They can release horribly weak. We've had a couple of those for the first couple days they're still the most banned champion followed by Z.
[00:21:34] Speaker C: If you're wanting to.
[00:21:35] Speaker A: If they. If they release strong they're literally just perma band.
[00:21:38] Speaker C: I don't know if you mentioned it, but if you are trying to get the new champion, you can try using swift play.
[00:21:46] Speaker B: You will get the champion if you play sweat playing. If you do normals, you just pick a champion and that's what it is. Remember that it's. It's swiftly. It's slightly different than an actual normal game, but it is a normal game style of game. So you get to play proper Summoner's Rift as opposed to playing versus bots.
[00:22:03] Speaker A: Yes. The other thing I was gonna say is I honestly wouldn't worry so much about build. Like if it's day one of a new champion and you're just building whatever the fuck the game recommends, that's fine. Like just. Just go with recommended because it's day one. Your job is to learn the mechanics of the new champion. Learn how the abilities combo together, learn how to how to use the abilities. How do you aim this, what triggers let you activate this. All of that kind of stuff about your new champion. And then after a couple days the good players like the high elo streamers and one tricks that are picking it up and people who played on PBE and already had that stuff down, they will have enough games under their belts that you will have a sample size of data that the data aggregator sites will be pulling from to figure out okay, what is the winningest build. Which remember winningest is not necessarily the best. It is not necessarily optimal in all situations. But that will give you the groundwork to decide on your build while you continue to master your mechanics of the new champion.
[00:23:09] Speaker B: So we've mentioned things plenty about how to pick up new champions.
Everything that we talked about there applies here. First you need to go through and you need to read all of your abilities. You need to check on ratios, you need to check on what kind of damages they do in the defenses, etc, etc. All of those things apply. You should be doing all of that in your initial core check. And yes, I am a little bit more. I'm actually, I'm a lot more cautious for the most part than Codex here. I would not take them into ranked in the first two days period. Unless you think they are so overpowered that it doesn't. That it doesn't matter if you play wrong. There are a couple of champions who have done that because in the first two or three days you are more than likely to not get games to try and play them. You're just frustrating yourself. You're losing hours and a lot of you don't have time to do that. So don't even think about it for the first couple of couple days. Just play them in normals, play them in bot games if you can pick it up real quick. Because that way you get to play and experience the champion and you're not going to get a lot of those rep games in. In a ranked environment.
[00:24:16] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:24:17] Speaker B: It's just going to cost you so much extra time.
[00:24:19] Speaker D: That being said, I think Pillow has the best take on it.
[00:24:23] Speaker B: Blame the jungler.
[00:24:25] Speaker D: Yeah, go straight into ranked and blame the jungler.
[00:24:29] Speaker A: I mean that strategy works when the new champion is a jungler.
[00:24:33] Speaker B: It does. It definitely works there.
If, if you are someone who really wants to test out stuff on the pbe, that's actually one of the ways you can totally do this. You can pop up on the PvE and test out the champions. It's gonna be a wild varying environment. There will be people from bronze to challenger there and there will be people.
[00:24:56] Speaker A: With wildly varying pings as well.
Much more so than you get on your regular server. So do not trust. I believe so, yeah. I think there's a PBE environment for other parts of the world. But like the NA servers for normal games and ranked play and all of that are hosted in Chicago area.
So that it's relatively central for pretty much all of the US.
The PvE servers are in LA, which means if you're in, let's say upstate New York, your connection to the main game servers is probably pretty fucking good. You probably have like 30 ping, your connection to the PBE will be like a hundred ping or worse.
So that is something to keep in mind. However, assuming you have a playable connection speed to the pbe, it can be a great way to just be like hey, this is a no stakes way for me to just practice the mechanics against actual people reacting to them instead of against bots.
[00:25:54] Speaker B: But know ahead of time your experiences will vary wildly game by game because of the skills of the people that are potentially there.
[00:26:04] Speaker A: We've used this term. I actually do want to explain what PBE is. PBE is the public beta environment. It is an open beta environment where riot tests stuff before release.
I am actually not sure how to join the PBE on League right now.
It used to be something you like signed up for and had to make a PBE account and everything, but I have no idea how it works right now. So I will look that up and put it in the episode description for you guys instead of us spending time looking it up on the show.
[00:26:34] Speaker C: A little sidebar if you're an URF enjoyer, you can also get couple months worth of extra IRF time on the pbe.
[00:26:41] Speaker A: It's true. All right, so I promise I will remember to put that in the episode description. Let's get to some listener questions.
Our first question tonight comes from Toast, who wrote in our discord, how do I defend or adapt to early invades? Do I just have to run away die if I get invaded and my teammate is AFK under tower? Minute one. When I play jungle, I noticed a lot of the champs I like have move speed spells for ganks such as volibear, Udyr and Nunu. Do you think that could be a crutch I'm using to make up for bad ganks or lack of knowing what a good gank is? So this is actually two questions that you kind of mash together into one. So let's answer the first one of what do you do if you get invaded and your teammates are afk?
[00:27:23] Speaker B: A lot of this is very dependent on what kind of an invade this is. Is this a full invade? Is this just the enemy jungler coming in? Is this just someone popping up a ward?
The first thing you need to know is before, before going in, like the full fight. Is your team spreading out to give vision? Are you trying to do an invade? You guys should have a game plan for level one somewhat. People will just ping and call people to go in a certain direction and try and get people to move things. If no one is going to follow these, you need to spread out for vision now because you need to know if that invade is coming.
[00:28:00] Speaker A: Your.
[00:28:01] Speaker C: Your most common invade that I've ever noticed is always going to be your top side quadrant. Like that's 90% of your invades are always going to come topside that I've always seen. Because it's the easiest in my opinion for a top laner to shove a wave and go help a jungle.
[00:28:17] Speaker B: Well, we're talking.
[00:28:19] Speaker A: That is a different.
[00:28:20] Speaker C: Oh, we're talking level one. Okay, okay, sorry, sorry. I was thinking a different mindset.
[00:28:24] Speaker A: For laning phase invade.
[00:28:26] Speaker D: Okay. Laning phase. Like okay, level two to three.
[00:28:29] Speaker A: But yeah, for level one invades, the general answer is if you're outnumbered or you believe you are going to be outnumbered, fucking run.
[00:28:38] Speaker C: Yeah, just run.
[00:28:39] Speaker A: If you have a spell to. If you have a spell to hold them at bay. Like a projectile that provides cc, throw it at them while you run away.
[00:28:47] Speaker B: Do not start an ability that will screw your jungle clear up. Yes, you need. If you are getting this invade on you, you need to be able to clear your camp on the other side quickly and efficiently.
[00:29:00] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:29:01] Speaker B: Do not attempt to. Oh man, they're coming over here. I need to get my movement speed one so I can run away. No, you are better off dying and actually having a capable clear.
[00:29:12] Speaker A: Yep, it sounds unintuitive, but it is better to die and have R on udyr than to live and have e on Udyr Level 1.
[00:29:22] Speaker D: Just as a curious perspective on this.
We always show up for bot lane. We are contesting their invade. Like I. E. They're coming in like we're gonna defend our blue or red, whichever one.
That being said, like you, you do not go top if there is a. If there is an invade top you. That is not your job. Your job is to win your lane.
[00:29:49] Speaker A: Usually, usually if the enemy bot lane shows up, it now has become correct for you to show up as well. If your team is not just running away or if you can help them run away. Like if you're like Bard Ash and their bot lane is visible in the ensuing about to be a fight, you should fucking be there. Because Bard Ashe have insane level one peel.
[00:30:13] Speaker B: So I think we should mention where the invades come in and where you should be for vision. So the. The general's two most prominent locations for an invade both happen in bottom side. Most likely you're getting invaded on the bottom and it is through either that little Tribush. A lot of people go towards the blue side and they invade through the Tribush and Then go up or they come in as a group and bundle up through that top area. The banana bush section.
[00:30:45] Speaker A: The two sides of like the dragon pit wall. Whichever side of the river it is.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: Yes. So those, those two locations are the prime locations for the invades to come in. And you should have somebody who can see that invade lane moving in. Do not go there late because if you go there late you are going to die. You're just a free kill for them. If you're going in late, you should be ready to pop your level one ward just to get vision down. If no one is sitting in a place. If your bot lane has gone over and they are in the bottom bush, you need to just pop a ward and walk towards something else.
[00:31:24] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:31:24] Speaker B: And you're not going to.
[00:31:25] Speaker A: No matter what life at level one, you are not going to win a fight where you are outnumbered. It does not matter what champion you are. Whoever has more champions wins the level one. Period. I don't think there's an exception to that. You can take the worst five champions for a level one that exist into the four best and that five worst will win 90% of the time.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:46] Speaker D: Yeah. I'd believe it.
[00:31:47] Speaker A: Like when you're level one, the sheer force of having a fifth person and their one spell is so much more powerful than being one spell.
[00:31:57] Speaker B: I think Braum is the only multiplier. That means that like three people can take out four because he can give so much CC for free. But like he can't 3v far he can't 3v5 well.
[00:32:10] Speaker A: And even then if they kill one of your carries before you kill theirs, you're just doomed. And that's why, because it's just right click is most of the damage early on from all champions.
Yeah. Okay. So that's. That's what to do for level one invades is mostly the answer is run away. Leave a ward behind. If you can throw cc. If you can. Don't fuck your clear for it. So move speed spells. Are these a crutch?
[00:32:36] Speaker B: They're a core component. They make or break certain champions.
Now a lot of champions are not viable junglers because they don't have something.
[00:32:45] Speaker A: They don't have a dash or a movement speed amp.
I do want to add a caveat. You may be using them as a crutch. It is generally incorrect to use your movement skill before you are in combat range.
There are exceptions. Rammus is a notable example of a just general exception.
[00:33:04] Speaker B: Ramus Nunu, the one you were putting up there is one of them, etc.
[00:33:08] Speaker A: And they're both for the same reason of using your movement skill while you're outside of vision. Gives the opponent a lot less time to react when they see you.
[00:33:15] Speaker B: And they have a very long range of power.
[00:33:19] Speaker A: Yes, but like Volibear, Udyr or most other junglers with either a move, speed amp or a dash. If you're using that before you've already made contact, you're probably not successfully ganking. Or the gank would have worked no matter what you did. You just needed to be there.
The correct way to use these skills and a great example of this is like Xin Zhao's dash. You're coming in from a known angle that the enemy then has to react to. If you come in from slightly behind them, they have to run towards you to escape you, make contact and start fighting them. Now they use their dash or their movement skill or their flash to escape you and you follow them because you still have your movement skill.
That's why you generally don't want to lead with the movement skills on ganks. Like number one reason right there. Especially for a champion like Udyr or Volibear where your movement skill is also your cc.
Alright, next question.
What caused your biggest crash out moment while playing League?
Which time that I got demoted out from old Plat new emerald down to silver. Do you want? Cause it's happened to me like three times in the last five years.
[00:34:35] Speaker D: Like I'll start us off so Mike knows.
[00:34:39] Speaker A: He's been here the whole time.
[00:34:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:42] Speaker D: So my biggest crash out moment was when. So I have two.
One was when Aatrox got reworked.
I don't know if it was the first or the second time and I.
[00:34:58] Speaker A: When he got reworked to his current form or when it was like a number tweak rework.
[00:35:02] Speaker D: I felt it was to a current form because I wanted. I was like. I was like prior to this he.
[00:35:07] Speaker A: Had the revolution revival.
[00:35:08] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway like like from. From revival to the new to the new current one and I had again a. A Damn, I gotta play that.
And so I went into the practice tool or well it was. It was a bot game because like that was our old practice tool.
[00:35:27] Speaker A: Right.
[00:35:28] Speaker D: And the. I was not very good because I hadn't played the champion. And I also like practice tool just allows you to screw up a lot more.
So like yeah guys, I just want you to know we live in the best timeline as far as the practice tool for league is concerned.
[00:35:46] Speaker A: But the fact that we have multiplayer practice tool now is incredible.
[00:35:50] Speaker D: It's incredible.
[00:35:52] Speaker A: It's incredible.
[00:35:54] Speaker D: I got flamed so bad by nasty ass who were just like, I wish we could win this game, but we have a stupid person up top who just can't do anything. And I almost quit league. I uninstalled. I didn't play for like months because they were so vicious that I didn't want to play anymore cuz like those people, dude, we were playing bots.
[00:36:24] Speaker A: And this is why you play without chat now.
[00:36:26] Speaker D: Yeah, this is. Well and that was the other thing. So I'm kind of. When I do do chat, I don't now, but I have in the past I usually use chat for like a morale booster thing with like, like yeah, guys, let's go. Let's go Dragon. Let's do Dragon, right?
I noticed that even using it, only positively using it, I wanted to. To write negative things about it. And it was getting to the point where I actually started to be a little negative. And so rather than quitting league for three months or longer, I don't even remember how long the original one was.
I just, I muted myself. I have consistently muted myself from now on. I do not type.
So yeah, I miss it though. I really do wish I could just say, give drag, go get Harold or Grubs or whatever the fuck like it. I. I wish there was a way I could ping that like just in text, like specific.
Go get. Go, go get Grubs. Give Drake. Like, like very, very specifically.
[00:37:32] Speaker A: You can kind of sort of ping like caution on one and like.
[00:37:35] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:37:36] Speaker A: But it just, it's not as clear, it's not as direct.
[00:37:41] Speaker D: Yeah, but yeah, that's my crash out moments.
[00:37:46] Speaker A: Anyone else got one?
[00:37:48] Speaker C: I'm just a chill guy, man. I don't get that mad when I play. If I get mad, it's usually just because I'm Bart far behind because I got ganked like four or five times. But I usually end up winning anyway some of those games. So I'm just a chill guy.
[00:38:02] Speaker A: It's true.
[00:38:03] Speaker B: It hasn't happened to me in League. I've done it in wow. Not Leak.
[00:38:07] Speaker C: Oh, don't even get me started on wow.
I'm not a chill guy.
[00:38:13] Speaker A: There is a reason I don't do wow PvP and it's from the one season that I tried to get the like arena set for PvP because it was the best rating gear you could get for that particular set at that particular time, which was stupid. This was in like Wrath of the Lich King.
[00:38:31] Speaker B: This is, this is so Much.
No, this was Wrath of Lich King earlier.
[00:38:37] Speaker A: It was early Wrath. Yeah, like before the Spider raid that I can't remember the name of now.
[00:38:42] Speaker C: Naxxromas.
[00:38:43] Speaker A: No, Anoob something or other.
[00:38:47] Speaker C: Anubarak was in Naxxramas and in Trial of the Crusader.
[00:38:51] Speaker B: No, the Trial of the Crusader.
[00:38:53] Speaker A: That. There you go. Trial of the Crusader. I couldn't remember the name. It's been a very long time, guys.
But there was an arena set that was the best raiding gear for one of the Shaman specs because of the combination of stats that. That it had.
[00:39:07] Speaker B: Yep, I see it.
[00:39:08] Speaker A: And it. It was very frustrating. So I swapped to Restoration Shaman because it was the only viable shaman in twos and ground arena to get to the rank that I could get the set. And I fucking hated every minute of it because wow. Arena is my least favorite kind of PvP in Wow. I like battlegrounds in wow, to be clear. But wow. Arena just frustrated the shit out of me because every single match was, oh, we're up against a rogue druid again. Okay, well I'm sapped and they're CCing you and trying to kill you. And oh, the CC expired. I can start healing you now. Or oh, they killed you before the CC expired. I guess we just auto lose. And I fucking hated it. So I crashed out hard. I literally. I didn't even play Battlegrounds for I think five years. Years.
Like literally it was like not until Mists of Pandaria that I played Battlegrounds again, let alone any. Like I never played arena again after that one season. I fucking hated it. That was my biggest gaming crash out.
[00:40:18] Speaker B: My biggest gaming crush out was Mists in that first Mogushan Vaults raid. We had cleared to the final boss the previous week and the next week we failed to kill the second boss. And at this point in time, I was very young and I was for some reason one of the raid leaders.
And I fucking flipped to the point where like half an hour afterwards I'm like, I'm sorry guys, I just. I fucking can't. And then I come back three days later and half my characters have been kicked because one of the people that I bitched at happened to also be higher than me.
[00:40:53] Speaker A: Sounds about right. All right, let's move on to the last question. That's enough crash outs.
What do I do as a jungler when my team gets mad and starts farming my camps?
[00:41:02] Speaker C: Go take the lane farm.
[00:41:05] Speaker B: There's a couple things here. There is a point in time when it is correct for people to just take your jungle Camps, it may not be that is mad. It may be that it's just time and they're taking them.
[00:41:17] Speaker A: But also, even if they are doing it because they're mad, it may still just also be fine for the game. If they like, it is better for the game for you to be like, cool, you can have them. I'm gonna go gank than to try to fight them for it or go take lane farm that someone else is able to take.
Sometimes the correct play is just be like, cool, I guess it's yours now. I'm gonna suck it up because I'm a jungler and that means I kind of have to be your bitch sometimes. And that sucks.
[00:41:45] Speaker B: You're not playing. It looks to be like carry style junglers.
So it comes to the point where at about 25, 30 minutes, if they're taking your camps, they get to take your camps. Your goal is team fights and objectives.
Those are your most important things.
[00:42:04] Speaker C: As I want to give an oddball. Oh yeah, I want to give an oddball answer.
If just going straight off of your question, if they're mad and they're just griefing you, that's a different one. Just report them.
If you're playing Nunu, drive by Q, drive by smite. I mean, just try to do what you can. If they're, if they're just like level four or five following you around your jungle and griefing you, just do your best to survive.
If it's a grief situation, I mean, that's what I'm reading off your question.
[00:42:35] Speaker A: I'm interpreting it as such.
That's kind of why my answer is. Sometimes the answer is just let them do it. Because a lot of times these grief situations happen 15, 20, 25 minutes into the game. If you play into them griefing you and give them the reaction they want of typing in chat, pinging them, fighting them for the farm and like wasting your smite trying to fight them to take the camps, they're gonna keep doing it because they're getting the feedback they want, they're getting the reaction they want. If your response to them trying to fight you for camps is to just go gank, the worst that'll happen is they follow you into the gank and either they soak up some experience, maybe they kill steel, maybe they die, that's still more beneficial to the team as a whole. And because it's not the reaction they wanted out of you, it's more likely to defuse them and get them to get over their internal problems and stop being a Dumb fuck and just play the fucking game.
[00:43:30] Speaker B: There's an important way to do a distinction here. If you are going to your jungle and you have both camps up. If you start one and they start attacking it and then you just walk towards the next. If they follow you, they're grief again.
[00:43:40] Speaker D: Yeah that then that's what I'm interpreting.
[00:43:43] Speaker A: This to be the situation that is.
[00:43:44] Speaker B: That is immediate report.
Just try and finish the game out. Report them. That's all they're doing. If they continue to fade the camp and you go and take your other one. Well now you've just split camp xp. Yeah. And you're feeding into them a little bit and that's. That's okay.
[00:43:59] Speaker A: And that's why my answer is go gank. Because what are they gonna do? Fight you for a camp you're not taking like they're just gonna take the camp. That's whatever your gank may or may not be successful. The worst example I've ever had of this dude followed me into the gank and stood there spamming emotes. Guess what? He soaked some enemy abilities because they threw shit at him. The gank went better than if he wasn't there.
[00:44:23] Speaker D: Literally DC'd in lane.
[00:44:26] Speaker A: Basically. Yes.
[00:44:28] Speaker B: And it just. It just gives you a full guaranteed report. They're going to get banned.
[00:44:32] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly.
[00:44:33] Speaker B: Because now it's. Now it's on visual.
[00:44:35] Speaker A: Yep. And that will get the enemy team to report them. And frankly enemy teams reporting for inting has way more weight with riot than ally team does. Just period. Enemies do not report inters unless they are actual inters most of the time.
[00:44:51] Speaker D: So again as a carry I would like to represent.
It is my job to start taking your camps after about 30 minutes.
Like ish my scaling in comparison to all of your. Your entire pool. And quite frankly all junglers. There's might be an exception in there somewhere.
[00:45:07] Speaker A: There's a couple exceptions. There's a lot.
[00:45:10] Speaker D: I want you to understand that a carry with five items at like 40 minutes is. Is better than anything that you can get. Like hardcore like that. That is why my champion is dangerous.
So yeah I simply. I go where the food is.
So.
[00:45:27] Speaker A: So just understand even those examples like Master Yi and Kindred that do actually match or be 80 carry scaling at the point in the game where AD carries should be taking your jungle. You have the power to just go murder anyone inside Lane.
[00:45:41] Speaker D: Literally go, go murder.
The way I see it is after 30 minutes their camps are your camps.
So like play it that way.
So. But yep.
[00:45:53] Speaker A: Okay, let's get another question here. This one's from Reigns who writes, do you have any recommendations of champions who have power curves like they're strong early weak mid and strong late for mid and top lane.
[00:46:07] Speaker C: The first one that popped in my head when I read this one. And if we're just talking like you're not fed like where you're strong all the way through. If we're just talking even playing field.
[00:46:16] Speaker A: Darius, we're assuming even farm, even gold to opponents.
[00:46:20] Speaker C: I'm going to tell you Darius and I'm going to tell you exactly why Darius is reliant on his R. His R damage at level 6. Great. His R damage at level 10. A joke. Because it is just a flat number like what it gives you. And once he gets 11, he gets strong again. There you're in mid game. You're. You're after. I would say that's post mid game. I would say past 11, you're. You're strong again.
It's long. It's your R from like level 8 to 10 is awful.
And late game. I mean you've played with probably a Darius in late game. He's scary.
[00:47:00] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:47:02] Speaker B: There's a couple of champions that have really powerful level one to threes and then they fall off a little bit where other people get power in there are and then they spike hard later.
[00:47:12] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:47:13] Speaker D: So in bot lane, this is Kay.
[00:47:14] Speaker A: It would be an example of this. Mike.
[00:47:16] Speaker B: So like the first thing that pops into my mind, like levels one and two, LeBlanc is really strong and then she falls off for a little bit and then she level six, she's strong back up and then she falls off a little bit and then once she gets ap, she spikes hard. A lot of these things are champions that have very powerful abilities and then require AP later.
[00:47:40] Speaker A: Yep.
Examples of this would be like a brand. Brand on no items. When the opponent has no items, does a ton of damage. Brand on one to two items. When the opponents have one to two items, they blow him up before he gets a chance to blow them up. Brandon, full build blows you up and you don't get to fight back.
[00:47:57] Speaker B: One of the best examples of this I think is Orianna. 1 to 3. Orianna is obscenely powerful. Yeah. She heard a attack and dissonance. Does a lot of base damage. Her auto attacks do more damage than any other AP carry in the game because of how the passive works. She has a shield in kit. So she's taking less damage than you are.
[00:48:20] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:48:21] Speaker B: And then four, even through six because her six, her first burst of her alt isn't super powerful. She dips a little bit and then you get AP. By 11, she starts curving up. And then Orianna is one of the characters where it does not matter how bad your team is doing one shockwave can win a game.
[00:48:40] Speaker A: Yep. And you mentioned Caitlyn for AD carries. I would posit Tristana as a perfect example of this.
[00:48:46] Speaker D: Yeah, that's actually a good recommendation too.
[00:48:50] Speaker A: She is. She's a good mid recommendation too. For this archetype. She's super strong. Levels 1 through 5, her ult is situationally good, but it's pretty weak compared to most of her contemporaries.
And then like her second item generally doesn't scale her all that much compared to like other AD carries. But once you have like level 13, you've maxed your Q and your E, you're at like 75% crit. And one of those three items is an infinity edge and you're level 13. So you have the range from your passive. So you have enough range to actually threaten people. On Tristana late game, she's one of the strongest carries that that exists in league.
Like her late game is insane.
[00:49:31] Speaker D: I will say that this is. I'm not as much of a support person, but I do feel that Bard actually is. Level one is really strong.
But. But. And he scales into the fucking sun late.
So like that being said, his level two and three are kind of nothing burger.
[00:49:50] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:49:50] Speaker D: His other abilities one and then like kind of nothing bro burger until level 11. Spard is your is your boy.
[00:50:00] Speaker A: His Q and passive are incredible. His other abilities are a weak heel and a ganking slash escaping tool. That isn't really relevant in lane 95 of the time.
[00:50:09] Speaker B: If you want that as a tank, Braum is like that. His level one is a beast because.
[00:50:15] Speaker A: His passive is the strongest part of his entire kit.
[00:50:18] Speaker B: 2 and 3 are good. 4, 5, 6. 6 is a little bit of a power spec because you have more CC in there, more area. Once you start getting a couple of tank items on Braum, he becomes so hard to kill.
[00:50:32] Speaker A: All right, I want to get one more set of listener questions in because of the last one being relevant to what we talked about at the top of this episode. So we're going to take our next set of questions. Came from Robegon. He sent this in three separate emails. I want you guys to know this wild fella, instead of sending us one novel, just sent three short emails. Robegon, we appreciate you. His first question is, why can I not climb out of bronze to silver as support. My main is hard stuck in bronze one. The second I hop on my Smurf, I'm in gold in like 10 games in full plat and emerald lobbies. Uh, because support, I'm guessing you play a more supportive type of support such as an enchanter or a tank. Those scale with the power of your teammates.
The better and stronger your teammates are, the better and stronger those champions are.
[00:51:20] Speaker B: There are a couple of supportive champions that can carry games. And you need to be incredibly skilled to be the one who is carrying a game with them. Thresh comes to mind as one of those champions. But for the most part, if you're trying to climb as a support, you need to bring damage and utility. So like Brand is a great one. Marcano's good, Lux is great, Lux is great.
Zyra, things like that.
[00:51:51] Speaker D: Zyra.
[00:51:52] Speaker A: And the reason for that, and I want to be clear, I am not talking down to low elo here.
By definition, the lower rank the game is, the more mistakes everyone in the game, all 10 players are are going to make on average.
Full stop damage. Pick champions such as Brand, Lux, Zyra, Morgana, any of that archetype where they are a mage support with the ability to cc and kill a person when they make a mistake. Snowball the hardest in games where more mistakes are happening period.
[00:52:31] Speaker B: The more people you can CC in that one combo, the more powerful you are as as a support, the better you can carry.
[00:52:38] Speaker A: This is why even though he's a tank, Amumu is godlike in low Elo as a jungler. Because people make so many mistakes. And the function of his kit, the way his bandage toss and his ultimate work make him really really good at punishing all of the mistakes that are constantly happening by all 10 players.
So Rubbeggon has a follow up question. What champion do you guys think is the smoothest playstyle wise and skill combo? Smoothness. So I wanna, I wanna preface this. I am interpreting Robegon's question to mean like the way the animations feel. Responsiveness, that kind of stuff.
[00:53:17] Speaker B: The kind of flow of the champion.
[00:53:19] Speaker A: Exactly. What do you think?
[00:53:22] Speaker B: I like this answer. I don't like saying it because I don't want to give people the power. But Irelia, she feels real good.
[00:53:31] Speaker A: She does.
My answer is really straightforward because it is my highest mastery champion for this very reason.
[00:53:38] Speaker B: Kayn.
[00:53:39] Speaker A: Everything Kayn does feels like it flows into everything else Kayn does really really smoothly. He feels like a purpose built. This champion was designed to feel good on a mechanical level to play play.
[00:53:54] Speaker B: Of the newer champions, Nafiri.
[00:53:57] Speaker A: Okay, for any other thoughts?
[00:54:01] Speaker D: I actually feel that all of them feel like ass.
None of them feel smooth whatsoever. And riot, please fix it. I will say out of all the carries I have played, Kaisa is the smoothest of them.
[00:54:17] Speaker B: That was. That was who I was thinking.
[00:54:18] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:54:19] Speaker B: Kaisar Varis are I think by two.
[00:54:21] Speaker D: And I like Varys. I would have actually put Varys in probably number two slot. Yeah.
[00:54:26] Speaker A: I actually want to say Ash because I feel like her animation canceling is super fucking smooth and easy to do. Like she feels so good to learn or walking on the way her like attack timings feel. It's fucking great. She's so easy to learn to not drop autos while trying to chase someone down.
[00:54:46] Speaker B: And her kid is pretty much auto attacks.
[00:54:49] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:54:50] Speaker C: I mean, I don't play the champion, but I really enjoy watching someone that's really good at Riven. Like a good Riven just looks clean and smooth. It's same boat as Aurelia.
Same boat as Aurelia.
[00:55:02] Speaker B: But yeah, I remember playing Riven before the things were found and I loved playing Riven but I was not good at her.
[00:55:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
All right.
Rubigon's last question makes me smile.
And three, can we trash talk the esports World cup for a second and why it's three days after msi even though Riot specifically told them not to have too many tournaments to keep it fresh and attractive for viewers? Uh, yeah. Fuck the esports World Cup.
Fuck it to hell. It's sports washing the Saudi regime.
[00:55:34] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's what it is. Okay.
[00:55:36] Speaker A: That's what that one is. I will not be watching that tournament. I will not be discussing it in the discord. I will not be discussing it in pre shows. I'm literally going to put a ban in the esports chat when it starts. Hey, fuck the esports World Cup. We are not talking about it here. I am not going to participate in the Saudi regime's sport Washington.
[00:55:57] Speaker B: There were several prominent members of a couple of the casting desks across the world who essentially quit in solidarity when they try to do shit like this.
One of the main ones who I remember was Froskeren when they very first started to try and push into esports, she went, I will not be part of one of people who is supporting this. These are people who will kill me.
[00:56:25] Speaker A: Yeah, she literally could not have ever attended the event as a like caster because her existence is illegal there.
[00:56:33] Speaker D: Okay, sorry. I did not know about the controversy. So I was like, really confused.
[00:56:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:56:39] Speaker B: If you. If you don't pay attention to esports, you don't know about this at all.
[00:56:43] Speaker A: Yeah, that. That's why. That is my answer to that. That is why I wanted to make sure we got to this today while it's. Before this tournament starts. So you guys know where I stand on it. I have a lot of friends and family who would be murdered if they live. If they were in Saudi Arabia a lot.
Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure my CIS wife would probably just be assumed to be trans and be murdered by Saudis because they. They just would look at her and be like, oh, she doesn't conform to gender standards.
Like, fuck Saudi Arabia. Fuck their regime specifically. Not the people, the regime in power. Fuck the Saudi government. Fuck the esports world cup, and fuck Riot for letting them have an esports world cup.
[00:57:23] Speaker B: I'm going to put a caveat on here specifically. I will not blame players for going for things they need. Like a lot of them, this is their only job. If they. If they say no, they lose it.
[00:57:35] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:57:36] Speaker B: And they're never going to be part of things. So them going to an event, I will not blame a lot of the.
Most of the teams that are invited, I will say I'll give a small pass to. But a couple of them don't need this. They should not be going. But a lot of teams, like, they don't have the wherewithal to say no. They need the exposure, they need the money or the team goes away.
So this is not a detriment to the people who are kind of forced to compete in it because otherwise they're not getting money and then they just don't exist anymore. This is specifically targeted to the people running it.
[00:58:10] Speaker A: Yes, the people running it. The decision makers at Riot who are allowing it to happen. Those are the people I'm mad at. But yeah, that's the most. I will talk about the esports world cup this year. Fuck that tournament. Fuck the Saudi government.
On that note, that's the end of the episode. Who has Lucian Top?
[00:58:30] Speaker D: Lucian Top can take out the Saudi government. He has two guns.
[00:58:34] Speaker A: Perfect.
[00:58:34] Speaker D: And a will.
[00:58:35] Speaker A: Perfect.
There we go.
[00:58:37] Speaker D: Pew, pew, pew.
[00:58:38] Speaker A: Lucian will take out the Saudi government. Top Lane is the Saudi government and Lucian is the solution.
[00:58:44] Speaker B: He's bringing them the light.
[00:58:45] Speaker A: Perfect. All right, guys. This has been episode 488 of the Four Wards podcast. I've been Jack Sohman for Mike and many names for Codex, Ninja and for pillow Pet. Have a great night.
[00:58:58] Speaker C: Good night.
[00:58:58] Speaker D: Good night.
[00:58:59] Speaker B: Good night. Everybody, thanks for listening to the four Wards Podcast.
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