The Four Wards Podcast - Episode 500: I Still Have a Huge Ego

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome to the Four Wards podcast. Hey, what's up? It's Eric Bra, voice of Draven Jerks and Velkoz. [00:00:13] Speaker B: And you're listening to the four Wards. [00:00:15] Speaker A: Podcast here to help you move forward in league. Hello and welcome to episode 500 of the Four Wards podcast. That's right. We've somehow had five episodes. 500 episodes of this shit show. I'm your usual host, Jack Sohman and I've got with me a smorgasbord of wards both old and new. To talk to you guys tonight we've got let's introduce the current host first Mike of many names. [00:01:00] Speaker C: How's it going everyone? I'm surrounded by a little bit of royalty here. [00:01:03] Speaker A: We got right. Because recently no longer had time to do every episode. We have Free Shooter. [00:01:10] Speaker D: Hello, I'm junior royalty. I guess. [00:01:14] Speaker A: No, I think that would be our next host which is Thalium. [00:01:19] Speaker E: Oh, hi. [00:01:22] Speaker A: And then not royalty. It's okay, you're junior royalty because you ran the show for a long time. [00:01:31] Speaker E: Okay, yeah, I guess that's technically true. [00:01:33] Speaker A: But we have somehow. Thank you Frostbite for finding these guys. Contact information gotten three of the four original four wards for episode 500. Frostbite is one of them. [00:01:45] Speaker B: Hey there. I think I like took a nap and I disappeared for 10 years. Did I miss anything? [00:01:52] Speaker A: Van Winkled it. [00:01:54] Speaker B: Good to be back. [00:01:55] Speaker A: We've also, we've also got Asteriskian. [00:01:59] Speaker F: How's it going? It's good to be back. [00:02:01] Speaker A: It's so good to have you guys. And last but not least, you've heard his voice. If you've listened to the podcast before the TFN split, we've got haberdashing. [00:02:10] Speaker B: Hey. [00:02:12] Speaker G: I never thought I'd see my day back on this podcast or that it was still going. [00:02:19] Speaker A: Right. We actually literally continued using your outro until we were forced to change it. [00:02:26] Speaker G: Wait, it's been forever. Like my voice was at the end. [00:02:30] Speaker A: Of the every episode. [00:02:32] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Now that I think about it, yeah. [00:02:34] Speaker C: You were the outro until about 4:50. [00:02:37] Speaker E: Yeah, I mean obviously you're gonna have to re record the outro. [00:02:42] Speaker G: I will definitely do that. [00:02:44] Speaker A: I would genuinely love it if you would record a new outro for us. [00:02:47] Speaker G: Absolutely. Absolutely. [00:02:51] Speaker A: Alright guys, we do need to shout out our patrons. Codex, Ninja Pillow, Pet, Skippius, Esquire and Labana for supporting us at the shoutout tier. We appreciate you guys very much. 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Like, it definitely feels heartwarming. [00:03:56] Speaker A: Dude, I'm just so stoked to have you guys. So let's, let's catch up. We're gonna, we're gonna start the show with just a catch up for listeners old who may remember you guys or new who have no idea who the hell you guys are. Let's let them know. Who wants to go first? Who wants to talk about themselves a little bit. [00:04:15] Speaker E: You're just gonna have to pick someone. No one's gonna volunteer. [00:04:18] Speaker A: That's what I'm learning. [00:04:19] Speaker G: I can start. Sure. So yeah, my name is haberdashing. I started the four Awards podcast with asterision. The Trinity Force Network was looking for another podcast to add to their collection to target mostly towards newer players. And Adam reached back out to me after I had been turned down from some other spots for tfn. And that's how we got started. [00:04:52] Speaker E: I think there's probably a non zero percentage of the listener base who might not know who Adam is. When did he leave the T Force Podcast? [00:05:06] Speaker A: I want to say it's been before. COVID I think is when he left that show. [00:05:11] Speaker E: Wild. [00:05:13] Speaker A: So at least five years. [00:05:15] Speaker D: Yeah, he was awesome when I joined four Awards. [00:05:18] Speaker G: Yeah. The original, like founder of the Trinity Force podcast and its subsidiary network. [00:05:28] Speaker A: Yep. [00:05:28] Speaker F: There's a few. We were one of a few. [00:05:31] Speaker G: Ultimately we were the third podcast to join. [00:05:36] Speaker F: I think so. [00:05:37] Speaker A: I think so. Because it was run down after the. The proper and then forwards. [00:05:42] Speaker G: Yeah, like since I left the podcast, I just kind of life has been going on. I ended up, I think Having to leave the podcast, just getting too busy with work and not being able to find, like, normal recording times. So started work in the real world, got married, had kids, moved across the country. You know, just nice. 10 years worth of time has elapsed. [00:06:11] Speaker B: It is wild to think that, like, so many life events could have happened since this podcast started, but I feel like HAVR is, like, such a great example of that. Like, it really has been that long. And it's. It's thanks to everyone here and all the listeners on the line that, like, really made that possible. And we're all just genuinely, like, smiling because we're just like, I can't believe we made it to 500 episodes. This is wild. [00:06:36] Speaker A: It's completely nuts. If you had told me when I joined as the current host, when I joined the show, if you told me we were going to make it to 500, I would have fucking laughed at you. [00:06:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, we. I don't. We were. We were very optimistic at the start, but I don't think any of us would have said, oh, yeah, for sure we're getting to 500. I mean, Havre had a great voice for radio. Like, I feel like he still got that, like, great, like, radio voice. And, like, hearing it back after all these 10 years, it's like, all right, now I can see why you've been, like, still in the outro for so many episodes as well. [00:07:12] Speaker A: Yep. [00:07:13] Speaker F: Sultry. [00:07:15] Speaker A: You have a perfect voice for it. So, Frost, what have you been up to? [00:07:21] Speaker B: Yeah, so I guess for those that don't know me, frostbite. I was also one of the first four wards. Yeah, I think it was like, I don't know how much you're planning to save for later in the episode, but many, many moons ago, there was a shout out on the Trinity Forest podcast, which I was a regular listen to, that we were starting up a brand new podcast in the style of journey to 30 that was all about trying to help people improve. At League of Legends, I was super, super into the Trinity Force Network and this entire community and T Force. I always was listening to the show, and I love the idea of being a part of it. And so when Asdarishan and Haberdashing mentioned they were starting a show, I was super, super excited about it. I definitely threw my name into the ring and somehow they foolishly chose me to join their roster. And, yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed every moment of being a part of the four words community. I'm sure we'll get into more. More stories and highlights, but, like, it's truly been such an incredible journey to see this podcast, make it to 500 episodes. I've like, changed cities, changed jobs, new hobbies. Everything you can kind of think of, like, has happened in the past 10 years. You know, the world shut down for a bit and then kind of like sort of unshut down. Like it's so much has happened and yet four words is still here today thanks to like really everything here. And I'm still, you know, very close with many people that I know from back when we started for awards and people who literally wrote into the podcast and like, I. I am so proud and so happy to be a part of this. But yeah, that's a little bit about me. [00:09:02] Speaker G: And now you have two guitars and two plants. [00:09:06] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. Although I will confess, these. These plants are fake. There's not a lot of natural light in this room over here. [00:09:16] Speaker A: But the guitars are real, right? [00:09:17] Speaker B: They are real. [00:09:19] Speaker A: Beautiful. So you mentioned journey to 30. I feel like there's a lot of listeners nowadays who don't even remember back when League of Legends used to have a level cap of level 30. [00:09:29] Speaker B: Oh, wait, that's not a thing. [00:09:30] Speaker F: Yeah, dude. [00:09:31] Speaker C: Oopsies. [00:09:33] Speaker F: Yeah. Yep. I. I had the same reaction when someone told me that like, not too long ago, I was like, what the heck? They uncapped levels. Wow. [00:09:45] Speaker A: I. I am currently level 1012. [00:09:48] Speaker B: I think this is a good. [00:09:50] Speaker G: Really uncapped level. [00:09:52] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:09:52] Speaker A: Yes. [00:09:52] Speaker F: Is it infinite? Is there. [00:09:54] Speaker A: No, no limit, as far as I'm aware. [00:09:57] Speaker E: Wow. Does anyone know who has the highest level of like worldwide? [00:10:04] Speaker F: It's probably tracked. You can probably find out in a second. It's probably on some website probably. [00:10:13] Speaker B: But I, I do think this is a good lead in if we're talking about journey to 30 for as version to introduce himself. [00:10:21] Speaker F: Yes, yes. I'm as direction. I was along with Haber, one of the starters of Four Wards. Initially I did a sort of miniseries with another, I guess co host is the best term named Snagglewolf. He was another member of the TFN community and together he and I, I'm pretty sure there's. I would imagine they're still on YouTube. So if you're like desper. Really curious to see what guidance looked like for new players in what was that year one or year two of League of Legends, then go right ahead. It's. I mean, it's also very patchy and not. Not the best editing and kind of, kind of cheesy. But hey, if you're curious. So yeah, after Journey of 30 was finished, there's a bit of downtime and I was still very interested in continuing to teach and help players learn more about the game. And so then eventually got the chance to do four awards with these guys. And what a blessing that was because that was just so much fun and it was very interesting to see that side of audio. Like that was the introduction to producing and stuff I still do nowadays. Like that's what brought me into it. So it was a very interesting sort of time. It was also back when, as far as I. I don't really know League of Legends anymore, but it was the wild west of League of Legends because Riot was just. They were doing whatever the heck they felt like doing. New OP characters every, you know, two weeks and Meta changing on a dime constantly. So it was. It was quite, quite an interesting time to be talking about League of Legends as well. [00:12:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:18] Speaker C: Those classic days when Champion releases were what, every two, three weeks? [00:12:22] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:12:25] Speaker A: So what have you been up to since? [00:12:27] Speaker F: Oh, mainly focusing on work after. After League. I quit league probably around the same time. I stopped doing the podcast and haven't really touched it since. I could probably sell my account for a good amount of money. There's some good stuff on there, but yeah, focus on work. I got very lucky am an engineer and just get to do, you know, fun engineer stuff for on microscopes. That's what I get to work on. So. Oh, that's very cool. [00:13:02] Speaker C: Does sound fun. [00:13:04] Speaker A: Right on. And I'm not sure you could sell your account for a lot of money because Riot has cracked down an account selling. Finally. Finally. [00:13:11] Speaker F: Well, if anyone wants to write in and buy my account, then let me know. [00:13:19] Speaker B: They really need to find out the true OG Lux fan's account and be like, I got. I got in on the true Lux fan account. [00:13:28] Speaker E: I mean, I have seven recolor skins. [00:13:32] Speaker F: I probably have them all. [00:13:34] Speaker A: You would probably be shocked at how many skins Lux has now. [00:13:38] Speaker F: Oh yeah. Not. [00:13:40] Speaker D: I found another trivia question for you. [00:13:42] Speaker A: Okay. Doesn't work when the answer has been posted in our discord. [00:13:49] Speaker D: Oopsie. [00:13:51] Speaker A: It's okay. [00:13:53] Speaker E: I thought it was gonna be fun. [00:13:54] Speaker A: Someone who is level 5167. Putting my 1012 to shame. [00:14:01] Speaker D: I was gonna say make a trivia question of how many luck skins are there? [00:14:05] Speaker C: Well, there's. There's how many are available and there's how many are no longer available because there's more of them dust that are on there. [00:14:12] Speaker F: Yeah, see, that's where I think I'd get my money. Is on the unavailable skins. Because I probably have a few now. I would imagine so. [00:14:19] Speaker A: Fair enough. Let's let our newer former wards talk a little bit about themselves now. Thallium, it's been several years since you've been on the show, not counting your last cameo visit. [00:14:34] Speaker E: Yeah, I think I've cameo videoed 3ish times now. But I left, I think so. I left somewhere before my second child was born and he's six. But since like the last show, I've been pretty much doing the same thing. Hang out with the family, hang out with the kids, go to work, play video games with my friends. [00:15:00] Speaker A: Getting to level 100 in Path of Exile and completing all the challenges. [00:15:05] Speaker E: 36 of 40 for the first time ever. Yeah, like about a year ago when path of exile 2 launched, I'm like, I've played a lot of Path of Exile. You know, for me, not in, not relative to Path of Exile players, but for me it's. I sunk several hundred hours into the game, like I should support them. I'll buy path of exile 2. I'll try this out. And it really just made me want to play Path of Exile one again. So that's what I've been doing for the last year or so. And that's been fun as far as like what I've been up to. Video game wise, life wise, pretty much the same. Just doing my thing. I'm not going to sell my account because I still play Valorant every once in a while and yeah, I think that's a lot of it. [00:15:50] Speaker A: Okay. Free shooter. You actually have not been that long since you were last on an episode. [00:15:55] Speaker D: But nah, it's only been like 5ish months, I think. [00:15:59] Speaker A: Something like that. [00:16:00] Speaker D: Yeah. No major life events for me because I think I was already engaged by the time I got off the show. [00:16:05] Speaker A: So I think at the very end announced that. Yep. [00:16:10] Speaker D: Yeah, I have just been working at the Crunchhart over the summer, but, you know, that's how it goes. And I have played six games of League of Legends since I left and they were all Clash because friends dragged me back to play. [00:16:25] Speaker B: Yo. So that is the thing. So I stopped not far after the podcast and then lockdown happened and I. I briefly got back into League of Legends again. And I will say that was like the greatest thing I think they've ever added to the game. And I was like, I a hundred percent would have been playing Clash so much more. It's basically like you can make a fives team and do like a tournament with other people. Online. And then you can compete in, like, a little mini tournament to win, like, a Clash trophy, like, during lockdown. That was like. It was a very strange time, but that was, like, my favorite thing I look forward to doing. [00:17:02] Speaker C: It functions a lot more like a pro game scene where you have your. The band set up the back and forth, how it works as opposed to a normal ranked game. [00:17:10] Speaker B: And so it's like, oh, aspirations of the other team. He's a Luxembourg. We definitely might do this. Oh, but if we ban this, then they might do, like, it turns. It's probably the closest you can get as, like, a newer player to feel like, oh, I'm like, going through a lot of that stuff that I see when I watch the lcs and it's like, it's a really fun community building thing. I genuinely. I mean, I don't know what they've been doing since then, but, like, I thought that that was a really smart addition from Riot, especially at the time in which they added it. [00:17:38] Speaker A: My favorite way to play the game still going. The. The next Clash cup starts on October 18th. [00:17:44] Speaker E: I had a lot of fun, the Clash beta. But by the time it actually came out, me and my friends had moved on. [00:17:50] Speaker A: Fair enough. [00:17:50] Speaker E: Although I have a Clash beta winner banner or something that shows up sometimes. [00:17:55] Speaker A: Oh, where it jump scares you in the lane, probably. [00:18:00] Speaker E: Maybe it shows up differently now. [00:18:02] Speaker A: Maybe. I don't know. I just remember it jump scaring people when it was first introduced. Because there weren't banners before and then suddenly there were. And the people who played in Clash would just have this banner pop up at about a minute and a half and into the game and you think. [00:18:15] Speaker F: You'Re getting ganked accidental f. [00:18:20] Speaker A: Literally. It happened to a lot of people. [00:18:23] Speaker D: I've had that happen from recalls on some skins. Like, especially some of the world skins, where, like, a trophy will fly in from off screen for the character to catch. And it just looks like Lee Sin's queuing you off screen. [00:18:34] Speaker A: Yep. So, guys, I've prepared a little bit of a trivia game. [00:18:39] Speaker E: I played a game in 2024. [00:18:42] Speaker A: Nice. I have some questions for you guys. As I promised, I am not gonna be testing your actual, like, current League of Legends knowledge because most of you have not played recently at all. [00:18:55] Speaker B: I couldn't tell you. [00:18:56] Speaker G: I would love to give, like, wild guesses. [00:18:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I thought. I thought you might be like, all right, tell us about what the latest champion does. I'm genuinely. No idea. [00:19:05] Speaker F: Yeah, I was like, like, just show us a picture and be like, guess what? He does. [00:19:09] Speaker A: Oh, that. [00:19:10] Speaker C: That's actually kind of funny. [00:19:13] Speaker A: So that is a fun idea, but this is an audio medium. We don't record a video version of the podcast. If we did, maybe I would do that. So what I've got instead is I've got nine questions, and I want each of you to open up a DM to me because I'm gonna ask you the questions, I want you all to send me the answer, and then we'll go through the answers. And I wanna. That way we have a chance for everyone to answer. And when you guys have hilarious ROM dancers, we can all laugh about it together. [00:19:42] Speaker G: So don't say it out loud. [00:19:44] Speaker A: Yeah, don't say it out loud. It's okay. Because in editing, any of the, like, dead air and pauses get deleted. I have a tool that does it for me, so it'll be fine. [00:19:54] Speaker E: Should I hum the Jeopardies? Should I hum the Jeopardy. Theme song so it's not dead air? [00:19:59] Speaker C: Oh, you got it. [00:20:00] Speaker A: If you really want to, that's fine. So it's. This is mostly like forwards history questions more than anything anything else, with a little bit of League of Legends sprinkled in. So our first question in this trivia game, I hope every single one of you gets. Because question one is name the voice actor in the 4 wards intro song. [00:20:27] Speaker C: Is this just for them or is this for all of us? [00:20:30] Speaker A: Everyone. You're playing too. [00:20:31] Speaker C: Oh, I guess I'm playing. [00:20:34] Speaker A: All right, I've got a couple answers. [00:20:38] Speaker E: I feel like I cheated because I listened to two episodes today. [00:20:41] Speaker A: That's not cheating. I mean, like I said, I hope all of you can get this. It was also literally discussed not very long ago since you all joined. [00:20:51] Speaker B: Gotta give credit to Haber for this one. [00:20:55] Speaker G: Well, I mean, you gotta give credit to the guy who did it. [00:20:59] Speaker B: Well, that's that too. [00:21:02] Speaker C: I don't know how you reached out. Got him, but that was. That's one of the most fun parts about the intro. I absolutely adore it. [00:21:10] Speaker G: I mean, literally, I just like, hey, we are doing this new podcast. It's for, you know, new league players. Would you please, please, pretty please record an intro for us? He's like, yeah, sure. Except it was, you know, over text. So it's just what I read aloud in my head in his voice. [00:21:32] Speaker A: All right, I've gotten answers from everyone. So Thallium, Frostbite, Haberdashing, and Mike of many names all got the correct answer, which is Eric Bra. [00:21:45] Speaker F: I'm partially correct. I'm partially correct. [00:21:49] Speaker A: Free shooter. Said, Ah, shit. I know it's the Draven guy, but boy howdy, I don't. [00:21:53] Speaker F: That's his name. [00:21:54] Speaker A: Damn it. Jeff. Jeff. Tom. No, wait, like baena or something. Jeff Beta. [00:22:00] Speaker B: Draven. [00:22:00] Speaker A: Jaxson said, I don't remember, but he voices the axe throwing, cocky mustache boy. I love that the two of you who didn't remember remembered Draven as his voice, not Jax or Velkoz. [00:22:14] Speaker F: Well, I. I remember Draven's the more like, iconic voice. [00:22:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:20] Speaker F: Because he does so much like Draven's voice is everything. [00:22:24] Speaker B: Like, that's his character. [00:22:26] Speaker F: It is really? [00:22:27] Speaker E: Huh. [00:22:27] Speaker A: True. [00:22:28] Speaker G: You couldn't even tell. Like, I. I don't remember the voice of the flying spaghetti monster at all. Do they make that a skin finally? [00:22:35] Speaker D: Oh, I hope not yet. [00:22:37] Speaker C: I haven't done that. [00:22:37] Speaker G: Oh, come on. [00:22:38] Speaker C: No, but they do have a Draven skin where he has a giant microphone. He is like a star. So he's got microphones he tosses. [00:22:45] Speaker D: Oh, I thought you could have talked. [00:22:46] Speaker C: About the Draven skin where he has. [00:22:48] Speaker D: A giant Draven mascot head. And it's Draven. Draven. [00:22:51] Speaker C: That's also. [00:22:52] Speaker F: Yeah, that one. That one was out. [00:22:55] Speaker G: Mundo. Mundo. [00:22:56] Speaker A: Yep. [00:22:56] Speaker C: It's like mundo. [00:22:57] Speaker B: Mundo. [00:22:57] Speaker A: I remember this. [00:22:59] Speaker B: Oh, man, that was a good get. I really. I was so happy when we got that recording. [00:23:04] Speaker E: Mm. [00:23:06] Speaker A: All right, so question two. In the same vein. The Four Wards intro song samples music from a 70s blaxploitation movie. Who wrote the music? Bonus points if you can name the song that it is. [00:23:23] Speaker E: I'm sorry, can you say that again? [00:23:25] Speaker A: The Four Wards intro song, the music that Eric Bra is talking to samples music from a 70s blaxploitation movie. Who wrote the music? Bonus points if you know the name of the song. I'm curious if any of you can get this. [00:23:43] Speaker F: I can hear the song in my head. [00:23:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I can hear it too, but I have. I have no clue. [00:23:50] Speaker F: I can't place it to anything though. [00:23:53] Speaker G: I mean, I didn't get from like a movie. I know. Like, oh, that's from like the. I don't even know. [00:24:00] Speaker F: Oh, wait a minute. No, that's. [00:24:03] Speaker E: Ah. [00:24:05] Speaker F: I'll just type it out. [00:24:06] Speaker G: I mixed it and I don't even remember. [00:24:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:12] Speaker A: I love that. I love that. That's hilarious to me. [00:24:15] Speaker G: I'm thinking of like, oh, no, I'm part of the problem. [00:24:18] Speaker C: I didn't. I didn't ever figure out this out. I've never paid attention to the music portion of it. [00:24:25] Speaker A: Ah, okay, so none of you got it, which is fine. One of you was close. So I want to read some of the funny answers you guys gave me because several of you were just like, I have no idea. Free shooter guessed. Elton John. No, the movie. Well, I asked for the name of who wrote it. Haberdashing put Sweetback, which I don't know what Sweetback is. [00:24:53] Speaker G: It was the first thing that popped up under Wikipedia for Blaxploitation. [00:24:58] Speaker D: Fair enough. [00:24:59] Speaker B: Fair enough. [00:25:00] Speaker A: And Mike put no idea. Is it from Shaft? And you are the closest because Isaac Hayes wrote the music that is in our intro song. It is a song called Truck Turner. [00:25:14] Speaker F: Now, I gotta hear this because I'm almost positive it's the intro song for the TV show Chuck. [00:25:20] Speaker A: Oh, it may very well be. I have. [00:25:23] Speaker G: I mean, like, it feels like a lot of, like, 80s cop movies. Like. [00:25:32] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:25:32] Speaker C: Aren't you just. [00:25:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:33] Speaker C: Does that look like cake? [00:25:36] Speaker F: Yeah, it does sound like cake. [00:25:42] Speaker G: Short skirt, long jacket. [00:25:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:44] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:25:44] Speaker A: It would not surprise me if other shows have also used this music. It's not like Isaac Hayes wasn't an extremely prolific musician in that era. [00:25:53] Speaker F: I could also just be misremembering the tune. [00:25:57] Speaker A: That's. Okay. So that was. That was a hard one. I was certain maybe at most one person would get it. And the fact that Haber was like, I mixed that and I don't remember. [00:26:10] Speaker B: I mean, we just thought it sounded cool. [00:26:13] Speaker G: Time will do that to you, man. [00:26:14] Speaker E: Listen, it was 10 years and three kids ago. Do you know how hard it is to hold on to memories when you haven't slept in nine years? [00:26:21] Speaker A: I know. [00:26:22] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:26:22] Speaker A: So let's go with one that I know for certain. [00:26:25] Speaker E: We're lucky you have her know at. [00:26:26] Speaker A: Least one person will get. Question three is, what is the original name of Lux's Ultimate? [00:26:33] Speaker E: Hmm. That's cheating. [00:26:37] Speaker A: Why is that cheating? [00:26:38] Speaker E: Because it's Astra. [00:26:40] Speaker F: I don't know if I remember, though. Trying to think. [00:26:45] Speaker G: Like, I. I submitted my answer, which I know is probably wrong. I do want to. God. [00:26:51] Speaker F: Because I. I know what I called it. I call it the birthday Line. [00:26:56] Speaker G: Birthday line? [00:26:57] Speaker F: Yeah. Because people would line up and you would get. [00:26:59] Speaker C: No, this is the one that has a weird fucking name. [00:27:02] Speaker F: Yeah, I. I do remember that. I just don't remember exactly. [00:27:08] Speaker D: Yeah, it's one I could, like, see in my head, but I know for a fact. I don't actually know what it is. [00:27:15] Speaker G: Why'd they rename it? [00:27:17] Speaker D: Honestly, it legitimately might been. Might have been for the sake of pro playcasters. [00:27:22] Speaker A: I. I will sound like German name. I think so explain afterwards. [00:27:30] Speaker E: When did they rename it? [00:27:32] Speaker A: Years and years and years. [00:27:34] Speaker C: She got like a minor graphical update and they renamed it then. [00:27:38] Speaker A: I want to say this eight years ago at this point. [00:27:42] Speaker E: So probably after I stopped, to be honest. [00:27:44] Speaker C: Yeah, probably possible. [00:27:45] Speaker F: No. [00:27:46] Speaker A: But that's why I'm asking for the original name. The name that it would have been when you guys played. [00:27:50] Speaker F: Ah, man. Don't remember what the second word is. I'll just do. I'll just go with that because it sounds fun. [00:27:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:27:59] Speaker G: It's R, isn't it? [00:28:00] Speaker F: No, it's F. It's double F. Yep. [00:28:02] Speaker A: It's double F. It is. [00:28:04] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:28:04] Speaker A: It's double F. The correct name is Finales Funkin. [00:28:09] Speaker F: That's it. [00:28:12] Speaker A: It's literally Funk F U N K. [00:28:16] Speaker F: E L N. Yeah. [00:28:18] Speaker A: However the German pronounce that. [00:28:20] Speaker B: Call it. [00:28:21] Speaker C: I was surprisingly close. [00:28:23] Speaker B: Casters always used to mention that. They like love that. [00:28:27] Speaker A: So it is German for Final Spark, the current name of the ability. [00:28:32] Speaker D: That makes sense. [00:28:33] Speaker F: Did they change it to Final Spark? [00:28:35] Speaker A: It's a reference to obscure Japanese shoot em up series which there are several toho references in League. That's just the one that got sorta kinda removed, but also is still there. They just decided to actually localize the name because no one could pronounce it. [00:28:51] Speaker F: Yeah, saw that coming. [00:28:52] Speaker G: Fair enough. [00:28:53] Speaker A: I'm gonna give the point to Mike. Cause you got Phineas Finalkin, which is close. I'm gonna give the point to Asteriscian with Finalis Funk. [00:29:05] Speaker E: You're very close. [00:29:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Freeshooter just said I don't speak German. I know it's in German. You're correct. But that's not worth a point. No, I'm gonna not give a point to Frostbite. Even though you had the correct name, you said Final Spark because that's the correct name. [00:29:20] Speaker B: I completely forgot about the German original one. [00:29:24] Speaker A: Yep. And haberdashing. I love your guess. Special beam cannon. [00:29:32] Speaker G: It's the same. [00:29:34] Speaker A: And then Thallium. I do want to give you partial credit. Lucent Singularity is one of Lux's abilities. That is her name ability. [00:29:41] Speaker F: W. Oh, it's her E. Oh, yes. [00:29:45] Speaker A: Her main damage ability. So I remember you were close. But I'm only giving the points to Asteriskin and Mike on this one. [00:29:53] Speaker B: That was a good one. I feel like that one like everyone knew part of it, but it was hard to remember the original. [00:29:59] Speaker A: Exactly. All right, so our next one, I'm gonna give you a List of champions. Which of these champions was not part of the original 40 when League of Legends hit full release on October 27, 2009? So all but one of these are an original 40. Tristana, Sion, Katarina, Dr. Mundo, Pantheon, Anivia, Veigar, and Gangplank. Which one was not part of the original 40? [00:30:29] Speaker C: Repeat that, please. [00:30:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Could you say it again? Stellar. [00:30:32] Speaker A: Yes. Tristana, Sion, Katarina, Dr. Mundo, Pantheon, Anivia, Vhagar, and Gangplank. [00:30:42] Speaker C: I think I know. I think I remember when this was released. I might be mixing it up, but. [00:30:49] Speaker A: I think you at least have. You have, like, a one in nine to just make a guess if you can. [00:30:55] Speaker B: Like three, but I'll throw in my guess. [00:31:00] Speaker C: Yeah, there's three that I'm debating between. And I think. I think I remember this release. [00:31:06] Speaker F: I think I'm wrong. I mean, I have a 9% chance to be right, so I think I'm wrong. Or 11% chance to be right, so I'm pretty sure I'm wrong. [00:31:14] Speaker A: Right. [00:31:14] Speaker C: I think it's this one. [00:31:16] Speaker A: The correct answer is Pantheon. He came out. [00:31:20] Speaker F: I actually thought it was Pantheon. [00:31:23] Speaker C: I was bouncing between those two. [00:31:25] Speaker A: Frostbite gets a point and haberdashing gets a point. [00:31:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Is this also where everyone announces when what champion was just launched when they first started playing league? If you remember what I. I know for me, because I. I'm not. I think I'm more young than my. My other fellow old co hosts, but I. I joined Raider as Aatrox was being released, and my other landmark of time was, like, two or three months after that. There was, like. I didn't follow the esports scene that much, but I did remember when this, like, one person who was tearing up the solo queue named Barcode Killer was like, really making waves with this riven character. And I was like, man, this guy seems really good. He might be going places. And I guess he was. But Aatrox, Aatrox, original Aatrox was when I first started playing league in season three. [00:32:20] Speaker F: I don't know what Aatrox is, but I know Anthrax is. [00:32:25] Speaker A: A sick band. [00:32:26] Speaker E: Right. [00:32:28] Speaker D: I actually started, like, about six months or a couple months before you, because my. I started when Vi came out. [00:32:35] Speaker B: Oh. [00:32:35] Speaker D: I was in the same year as Aatrox. [00:32:37] Speaker C: I guess I am actually a good one to start on because I. I was with Cassiopeia, which is why I was like, is it the sister that was also out or was it just Pantheon? [00:32:46] Speaker F: Yeah, I. I feel bad because I Played like a month and a half after release. [00:32:53] Speaker B: Damn. [00:32:53] Speaker F: I just could not remember. [00:32:55] Speaker A: I literally started playing this game in December 2009. [00:32:59] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:32:59] Speaker A: Wow. [00:33:00] Speaker C: I had to look at the Listenekton's release. Brand was your first. [00:33:06] Speaker A: Is that what you said? [00:33:07] Speaker E: Yeah, Brand. [00:33:08] Speaker F: Brand was early. [00:33:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:11] Speaker A: I mean all of those were early. [00:33:13] Speaker F: That's true. [00:33:13] Speaker E: That's very true. [00:33:17] Speaker F: Aatrox was season two though, wasn't it? [00:33:19] Speaker B: He was. He was season three. [00:33:20] Speaker C: Aatrox was season. [00:33:22] Speaker F: Season three. Season three. [00:33:24] Speaker E: Yeah. Brand was released in April 12, 2011. And this is relevant to my life because on April 15, 2011 the United States government basically shut down online poker, which was my then competitive outlet. And I need to replace it with something. And it was League. [00:33:44] Speaker A: I gotta say that I've known you for years and did not know. [00:33:49] Speaker E: Yeah. And the big problem was when I played poker I made money and then when I played league I lost money, so. And brain cells net negative all around. [00:34:03] Speaker G: Did anyone ever go on like the waste on wasted on LOL site to see how much money? [00:34:07] Speaker B: Oh, I avoided that site like a plague. [00:34:11] Speaker C: It's gone. So I can't figure it out anymore. [00:34:14] Speaker A: That site still exists, but the data for the first like seven or eight years of League is gone and it no longer can see your normal games. So it's really not accurate. [00:34:26] Speaker D: Yeah, that's for time. I think you can still see money from like Riot support themselves. I think they legally have to tell you. I remember one point I checked, I saw the number and was like, I need to spend less money on this game. And I've maybe spent like I don't know, 200 bucks since then. And that was like eight years ago. [00:34:45] Speaker A: I remember the number. There was a comma in it of a thousand. [00:34:48] Speaker C: I mean it's 15 years on this game. A thousand bucks and that bad? [00:34:51] Speaker F: Yeah. If you had said two commas, I'd be concerned. [00:34:54] Speaker D: No, no. [00:34:55] Speaker G: My rule for most games are like if I can like get it below a dollar per hour played, I'll feel okay about it. With League, by the time I left, I think I was spending 2700 hours and I. I still made that rule work. But seeing it all together that like that was a little much. [00:35:16] Speaker D: Yeah. I remember when I checked it was when I had roughly 4,000 hours in the game and I'd spent about $2,000 on it. [00:35:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:25] Speaker E: Having to buy rune pages. [00:35:27] Speaker C: I remember buying. I remember the last money I spent on the game too. Unfortunately it was for the faker skin. So it was the last time I spent Money in that game. [00:35:37] Speaker A: Yeah. By the way, all you old guys, they have a Faker skin. Multiple Faker skins now. [00:35:43] Speaker E: I think I heard about this Champion now or something. [00:35:47] Speaker D: Not quite. [00:35:48] Speaker E: How much was the Faker skin? Like a hundred bucks. [00:35:51] Speaker D: Five hundred. [00:35:52] Speaker C: It was five. [00:35:53] Speaker A: Most expensive version was 500. [00:35:55] Speaker C: You could get the cheap version for 30. [00:35:59] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:36:00] Speaker C: If you just. [00:36:01] Speaker G: For all us poor Izzies out there. [00:36:02] Speaker C: Yeah. If you just wanted the base one and you didn't care about any of the extra fancy shit, it was like 30 bucks. Okay. [00:36:08] Speaker A: What did the $500 do? [00:36:10] Speaker C: You got all sorts of everything that Faker has ever done, plus a bunch more. [00:36:15] Speaker A: You got like nine skins. You got like a finish. If you kill someone, a finisher, when you kill the Nexus that it plays in animation, a whole bunch of swag for your account, like border profiles and stuff like that. [00:36:28] Speaker D: I still think it's so funny that the skin cost more than the statue they made of the skin. [00:36:34] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. The man's won five titles out of 15 years of league of Legends world championships. [00:36:44] Speaker F: Does he get cuts of that? [00:36:46] Speaker C: Yes. [00:36:46] Speaker G: Did he still play? [00:36:47] Speaker C: Yes, he is. [00:36:48] Speaker E: That's. [00:36:48] Speaker A: He does. He's going to go to the World Series. [00:36:51] Speaker B: That is insane. I'm like, just so happy that he just. He's just so great. Like, he's so, like seeing there at the beginning of his journey to like. He's just like exactly what you want for the league community. He's amazing. [00:37:04] Speaker E: I have this sudden dream that he's going to pull LeBron where he. He sticks around so long that he has a child and then he goes with the child on the team. [00:37:16] Speaker A: Wouldn't surprise me. There's several married league pros at this point. I don't think he's among them. I will say I was at MSI in Vancouver this year. He played there. Oh, my God. The fangirls went insane when Faker came on stage. [00:37:36] Speaker E: So he's definitely got several children. [00:37:41] Speaker C: If they allow him out of the. [00:37:42] Speaker F: Studio, I don't know. [00:37:43] Speaker E: Hello, I'm Faker. This is my team of bastards. [00:37:47] Speaker A: So our next question. [00:37:51] Speaker B: Next question. [00:37:52] Speaker A: Our next question kind of ties to Faker a little bit. [00:37:56] Speaker B: Okay. [00:37:56] Speaker A: Because our next question is that Ryze is famous for his reworks over the years. However, on the official League of Legends wiki, he only has four entries listed for champion update. It just happens that all of them were visual and gameplay updates. There are two champions that have more than four visual and gameplay. Visual or gameplay updates in that list. So take a guess what Champion do You think might be one of those two. And obviously by the nature of this question, these are old champions. You've heard of these champions. [00:38:34] Speaker B: You said more than four gameplay updates. [00:38:37] Speaker A: Gameplay or visual updates. So the. The list on the official wiki condenses them all together. A visual update is an entry, a gameplay update is an entry, and a visual end gameplay update is an entry. [00:38:49] Speaker C: I man, think there's another. I know one of them. [00:38:54] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm positive on one of them. I'm trying to think of what the other is. [00:38:59] Speaker G: I should know this. I haven't played league in 10 years. [00:39:02] Speaker F: Yeah, exactly. [00:39:04] Speaker C: One of them just keeps getting updates. [00:39:09] Speaker A: Yeah, These are champions that you are familiar with. These are not new champions at all. [00:39:16] Speaker C: I think I'm right with both of them. [00:39:21] Speaker E: They keep fucking with, I think. [00:39:25] Speaker F: Can we give two or just one? [00:39:27] Speaker A: You can give two. It's fine. Just give me some kind of guess. Haber, I love you. [00:39:37] Speaker G: If I'm gonna be wrong, I'm gonna be funny about it. [00:39:39] Speaker A: All right? Yeah. [00:39:40] Speaker D: Hell yeah. [00:39:41] Speaker B: I guess it's hard for me to tell, but without when you say update, because I feel like there's a lot of characters that are older that have probably got a lot of updates, but they might just be smaller. And some have gotten like. So the complete rework. [00:39:52] Speaker A: This means something beyond just, like, numbers. Some, yes, they are. Someone who gets like, a visual update would count as one of those updates. So if it's just an art change with no gameplay change. Matter of fact, one of the two in this list has mostly gotten visual updates. [00:40:10] Speaker D: Now my second guess is wrong for sure. [00:40:11] Speaker C: Then I think those are both right. [00:40:14] Speaker A: So we do have one person with a correct answer. Frostbite guessed Teemo. And no, he's gotten, I think, two updates. [00:40:23] Speaker B: Well, it's like he got the mushrooms updates and he got like a new splash art and all that kind of stuff. But, like, these are all very small changes. But he's ancient, so I wasn't sure. [00:40:31] Speaker A: Those are the kinds of small changes that show up on there. This is different than, like, oh, they buffed his ult by 20 damage or whatever. [00:40:37] Speaker B: Gotcha. [00:40:38] Speaker A: Thallium guessed Mordekaiser and Sion, which are good guesses, but no, what they've gotten. Free shooter also guessed Mordekaiser and then Quinn. [00:40:46] Speaker F: And Mordekaiser is a good. [00:40:47] Speaker A: Mordekaiser has had four. Oh, he said Mordekaiser is a very good guess. [00:40:52] Speaker D: I thought for sure it was mort. [00:40:54] Speaker A: Nope. [00:40:54] Speaker C: No, because they don't keep twice in one year. [00:40:58] Speaker A: Yes. He did. Mike guessed Akali and LeBlanc, which are also good guesses. I think one of them had four and one of them had three. Haber put Dyrus. No, wait, his pillow, which is hilarious to me. [00:41:14] Speaker G: The two people who got that listening to this podcast are losing their minds. [00:41:19] Speaker A: I get it. [00:41:19] Speaker C: I miss Tyrus on his pillow. [00:41:22] Speaker B: This is tapping into memories I didn't even remember. I had. [00:41:26] Speaker G: Season two world champion. Just watching him just, like, spin around on the floor. [00:41:32] Speaker A: Yep. So *ian. Guess Dr. Mundo, which is wrong. And Jax, which is one of the two. [00:41:38] Speaker B: Hey. [00:41:39] Speaker A: The other being. Oh, really? [00:41:42] Speaker F: Ash, She's. [00:41:43] Speaker C: She's. [00:41:43] Speaker D: She's had a lot of visuals. [00:41:45] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:41:45] Speaker C: I thought LeBlanc, she's had multiple gameplay reworks, and then she just got a visual rework. [00:41:52] Speaker A: So I thought that was one gameplay update, but four visual updates. Because she's like the poster child of League of Legends, so they try to keep her looking visually like current. But Jax is the other one. He's gotten a couple of different major gameplay updates and a couple of visual dates, and they weren't done at the same time. [00:42:11] Speaker C: Oh, Cosmos Dodge. [00:42:13] Speaker F: I'm pretty sure I was. Yep. When they removed Dodge was one of the ones I thought of. And then I remember the visual update. And then I think I remember a second visual update. So I was like. [00:42:24] Speaker C: They just did one of those too, recently. [00:42:27] Speaker D: Yeah. Because it changed his voice, so. [00:42:29] Speaker A: Jack. Yeah, they changed the voice, by the way. Very upset about that. [00:42:34] Speaker B: Wow. [00:42:36] Speaker A: I literally. I don't play him as much as I used to because of the voice change. The lines are terrible. The actual voice is good, but the lines are bad. [00:42:46] Speaker C: Is it still Eric Ross? [00:42:47] Speaker A: So I'm not sure. I haven't looked. I hope it is. I hope they at least got Eric Bra to redo it. Okay, so that was. That was a hard one. But Asteriskian got one of the two correct answers. So we're gonna go to question six. This, hopefully, is an easier one for at least a couple of the people on this show. Thallium joined us two years ago for episode 400. Who joined him on that milestone. [00:43:14] Speaker F: Thallium, who joined you. [00:43:17] Speaker B: That makes it easier. [00:43:20] Speaker A: Let's see if he remembers. [00:43:23] Speaker E: I mean, I listened to it today. [00:43:26] Speaker A: Fair enough. [00:43:29] Speaker E: I did my research. I also have thoughts about episode. [00:43:34] Speaker A: You should. [00:43:35] Speaker F: Okay. [00:43:36] Speaker A: At least one of you has definitely recorded episodes with these people. [00:43:40] Speaker F: Oh. [00:43:43] Speaker E: Not one of them. [00:43:49] Speaker C: Any other guesses, by the way, as duration. Love the hat. [00:43:53] Speaker F: Hey, thank you. [00:43:53] Speaker A: Yes. [00:43:54] Speaker F: Yeah. So I have long hair, and I have to wear a bonnet because I work in a clean suit constantly. And so because of long hair and because the fact that a lot of companies are cheap and they get really small bonnets, I wear a beanie pretty much everywhere I go so that I can just tuck my hair into the beanie and have a bonnet easily put on my head. [00:44:17] Speaker D: So that makes sense. [00:44:18] Speaker F: This thing is basically glued to my head. [00:44:20] Speaker A: Well, the Jack Skellington look kicks ass. [00:44:23] Speaker F: Yeah. I was going to say for audio, for basically everybody. It's a Jack Skellington beanie. [00:44:29] Speaker A: Yep. [00:44:30] Speaker C: Got a bunch of cool ghosts popping the dark. [00:44:33] Speaker A: The guesses we have. Oh, I love that. I love that. No haberdashing. It was not Joe Rogan. [00:44:41] Speaker E: Wow. [00:44:42] Speaker F: That's a good guess, though. [00:44:44] Speaker G: I thought it was a great guess. [00:44:46] Speaker A: It also was not you Frostbite. [00:44:50] Speaker B: I thought I came back at one point. Was it me? [00:44:54] Speaker A: You did, but I think that was episode 250. [00:44:57] Speaker B: That makes more sense. I feel like I would remember if it was 400. It. [00:45:03] Speaker A: So:Eserisan Guest Badger and Free Shooter guest George and Badger. Badger did not make it to that episode, but George did. And the other person who made it, along with Thallium and George, was Ertai. [00:45:15] Speaker D: Oh, that's right. I couldn't remember because I think my first episode was 350, and I think that one also had George and Badger on it. [00:45:27] Speaker A: That could very well be. [00:45:28] Speaker E: I've been playing video games with Ertai for. Well, more than a decade, I was gonna say. [00:45:34] Speaker A: Don't you still see him every year at that? [00:45:36] Speaker E: Oh, yeah. Like, we have book club once a month, twice a year at Lamp Party. I don't know what his name is or what he does. [00:45:45] Speaker A: I mean, that's the mark of a true friendship. Yep. You've been buds with this guy for forever. You would literally sacrifice your life to save his, but you don't know his name or what he does for a living. [00:45:58] Speaker E: No, like, I've heard Punch's name. Like, I've been to Punch's city. Punchinello, who was on T Force proper for a while. And, like, I met his fiance, went to his house, and then she called him by his, like, government name. Like who. [00:46:15] Speaker F: Government name. [00:46:16] Speaker C: I only learned part of Jax's name today. [00:46:19] Speaker A: It's true. All right, now we've got a couple of questions that are more about specifically you, old guard. And then some other fun stuff. Question seven is, what episode number marked the official end of the original 4 wards podcast host cast. [00:46:41] Speaker G: Like, all four, or when the last. [00:46:43] Speaker A: There was an Episode where there was a clear, like, we are changing the lineup at this point. I believe the. The next episode. Haber, you were still there and you introduced Thallium and George and Badger. And there was like a couple month gap in between this episode and that one. So I'm looking for that last episode where it was like, hey, we're on hiatus till we can get new hosts. And then you got Thallium and George and Badger. [00:47:11] Speaker E: Is it closest to spit on? [00:47:15] Speaker A: I am going to give points to anyone who is close, but we have a couple of actual correct answers in here. [00:47:23] Speaker F: Oh, wow. [00:47:24] Speaker A: I am proud of you guys for this one. So the correct answer was episode 69. [00:47:30] Speaker B: You kidding me? [00:47:31] Speaker D: Nice. [00:47:32] Speaker A: I am quite serious, you guys. [00:47:34] Speaker E: I was gonna guess that as a. [00:47:35] Speaker A: Joke just to make a meme real and have 69 be the actual episode. That was the final episode for basically all of the original cast except Haber. Haber, you stuck around for a few to make sure the new guys got their bearing. And then, well, I think also, peace out. [00:47:51] Speaker B: I think as Rich and might have potentially been like an episode or something before that. Like, like slightly before, but like 69. I remember when Doom and I and both were moving out, it was like a moment of like, is it really going to be episode 69 is our last episode? Or like this, this could be more fitting. [00:48:11] Speaker A: And because of that, I am going to give it to haber for 68. [00:48:15] Speaker F: Hey, that's pretty close, I think. [00:48:19] Speaker E: 69. Like, no, it can't be that. That's. [00:48:22] Speaker C: I know nothing about the joke answer. 69. [00:48:25] Speaker G: Fuck, I'm right. [00:48:26] Speaker A: We planned it because again, I have the backlog of episodes downloaded from TFN before it died. I went and checked to make sure that answer would be correct because I was like, I'm pretty sure it was this, but that has to be a meme that can't be real. And I wouldn't listen to it. And there's a whole spiel in the intro of, hey, guys, I wasn't here for this, but this is what's going on. Don't panic. They kind of made it sound worse than it is at the start of the episode. So I was like, okay, I remembered, right? I love that that's the episode number that you guys ended the original host group on. It's hilarious. I had to include that question. And now, if you'll permit me, a moment of vanity. I don't expect any of you to know this. What was my first episode on this show? [00:49:15] Speaker D: Oh, you've told me this before I. [00:49:18] Speaker E: Have God will only have a number in my head. [00:49:21] Speaker A: Whoever's closest. [00:49:23] Speaker C: How long in years have you been doing. [00:49:26] Speaker E: No, no, Dan can't go fishing for clues. [00:49:31] Speaker A: I will give you the hint of I was on this show before episode 200. [00:49:36] Speaker D: My guess is still technically in that window. [00:49:39] Speaker E: Yeah, I mean, I feel like I should know this because I am the reason this happened. [00:49:44] Speaker A: It's true. [00:49:45] Speaker E: We need more people. [00:49:46] Speaker A: I was a host on Rundown and Thallium put in the TFN slack at the time that, hey, we're short people. This week. Does anyone want to join in an episode to help new people learn? League of Legends and me and one of the TFGG people, nellbiom, joined for an episode and I had a blast. And you guys put out a host call soon afterwards. So I sent in an audition and you were like, holy shit. He actually auditioned and then just invited me onto the show and had me help pick the other host. [00:50:17] Speaker E: I remember this slightly differently, but okay. Oh, yeah, you have one of the spots. You didn't actually need to send this in anyway. Here are the other people. Who do we want? Yeah, I don't remember who we picked. [00:50:30] Speaker A: It's okay. I'll be honest. I don't either. I don't think any of them stuck around that long, unfortunately. All right, so we have the guesses in and I think Thallium is actually the closest. You guessed 127. The correct answer is 141. [00:50:50] Speaker E: Wow, was that long there? Sooner than that? [00:50:54] Speaker A: No, it's. [00:50:55] Speaker E: Did you find what was my last episode? [00:50:58] Speaker A: I did not find that. I was not sure. I literally have just raw files. I would have had to go back through all of them. So if I didn't know it or have a good inkling of it in my head, I wasn't gonna go listen. [00:51:09] Speaker E: To 400 somewhere like November 2018 or something like that. [00:51:14] Speaker A: I think that sounds really good. [00:51:16] Speaker E: I don't think I recorded any official 200s. No, sub two hundreds. [00:51:21] Speaker C: Sub 200. You fuck. [00:51:22] Speaker E: I don't think I made it. Yeah. [00:51:24] Speaker A: Alright, and then our last question. To end this little trivia game, we end every episode with a Lucian Top meme in honor of Huni in 2016 spring when he absolutely fucking beefed it versus TSM. I'm pretty sure Badger's the one who started that meme. What episode did that meme begin on? And I will take one of three answers because unfortunately this is one of the gaps in the catalog of past episodes that I have and I do not Know the actual, exact episode number. [00:51:58] Speaker B: God. So is it. We're guessing the episode number? [00:52:02] Speaker A: Yes. Guess the episode number. And it was. [00:52:04] Speaker G: So we're trying to figure out reasons why Lucian Top is bad. [00:52:07] Speaker A: A little over nine years ago. [00:52:09] Speaker E: It was just the way we signed off every episode. And I guess we still do that. [00:52:16] Speaker A: We still do that. Which is why I made it the last question in the trivia game, because I am a stickler for keeping dumb podcast traditions alive as long as I possibly can, apparently. [00:52:29] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:52:30] Speaker A: We still sing the Friends theme to sync our audio. We still loosen top every episode. [00:52:36] Speaker E: You still talk about League of Legends. [00:52:38] Speaker A: I know. What the hell are we thinking in this economy? [00:52:44] Speaker C: I mean, we did gym Top once. [00:52:47] Speaker G: Is it a. Is it a free game? Is it. You look at me and you tell me it's a free game. [00:52:53] Speaker A: I know. I know. [00:52:56] Speaker E: Have they released a support named Tonic yet? [00:52:59] Speaker A: No. They really should, though. All right. [00:53:02] Speaker G: Oh, yeah, like Ezreal and Tonic. [00:53:05] Speaker F: Yeah, exactly. [00:53:10] Speaker A: God damn it. [00:53:12] Speaker E: All right, well, they have Kiana, which is kind of like Quinine, which is in Tonic. [00:53:17] Speaker G: Keanu, like the John Wick guy. [00:53:21] Speaker A: Yep. [00:53:21] Speaker C: Close enough. [00:53:22] Speaker E: Yes, exactly. [00:53:23] Speaker F: That's who. [00:53:24] Speaker E: I said. [00:53:27] Speaker G: Sabrina Carpenter in mid lane. [00:53:30] Speaker A: Because there is a tie. I'm gonna give it to Thallium, who was one episode off. Thallium guessed episode 82. And unfortunately, the episodes I do not have, they are lost to time. Are episode 79, 80, and 81. And it was somewhere in there, because episode 82, there's a discussion about it, but it's. It was already going, like, clearly. [00:53:51] Speaker C: Oh, it's close on. [00:53:52] Speaker A: Because you guys are like, oh, we're gonna end the episode with this again, huh? Kind of response. So Thallium is our winner with four out of nine points. Congratulations. [00:54:04] Speaker E: Ah, I got four words. [00:54:08] Speaker A: Perfect. Scripted. All right. And then to finish this episode out, we asked the listeners to write in questions for you guys. Um, just touch base. Show's been a Q and A kind of the whole time off and on over the years. So we have a couple questions first from Yeet the Dab, who writes, I've noticed there are old episodes of the Four Wards podcast on a YouTube channel called Trinity Force Network. What's the story there? I don't actually know what happened where you guys were recording video? Because by the time I joined the. [00:54:47] Speaker F: Show, we were video anymore. We started with video. [00:54:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:52] Speaker G: It was like, in addition, we also did video. [00:54:53] Speaker B: Yeah, all those podcasts were doing video when we started. And then, I don't know, we eventually kind of fell off of it. I think at the very end, like. [00:55:03] Speaker F: Pone gave us, he had a graphic artist who designed the overlays and sent them to us for us to. To use as part of our overlays. And. And yeah, as far as I recall, video, it was always part of the podcast. [00:55:22] Speaker C: Cool to do again. [00:55:23] Speaker A: Fair enough. [00:55:24] Speaker F: Shit. [00:55:25] Speaker E: Am. I don't know why they thought they. [00:55:26] Speaker G: Also needed to have it on video. [00:55:27] Speaker A: But yeah, that was that one. I can answer. Because that was the trend for gaming podcasts at the time on YouTube because of people like Totalbiscuit and Jesse Cox. [00:55:40] Speaker G: Yeah, well, there you go. [00:55:42] Speaker F: That's why we, you know, it's unfortunate is we didn't really do a good job taking advantage of that medium. Like, I don't think we showed a whole lot of clips or like really did much whiteboard stuff. It was really just like our faces. [00:55:58] Speaker B: Yeah, it was still like. [00:56:01] Speaker F: It was really. [00:56:02] Speaker B: It was still primarily an audio based thing. It was just that like, for those that preferred the video or wanted to like be there live, we would have like a twitch stream where you could kind of like see us and be a part of it. But like, realistically, like, you know, most of the listeners were tuning in in their preferred podcast application. You know, the video is. It's up there. I guess. [00:56:25] Speaker C: I mean the sad thing is that like you can actually get video on podcasts in Spotify and have a podcast now. [00:56:31] Speaker E: Mm. [00:56:32] Speaker A: Yep. [00:56:32] Speaker E: Yeah. Forwards Podcast Episode three Early game. Well, sorry. Forwards. Podacast. There's an ape. [00:56:39] Speaker F: Oh shit. [00:56:41] Speaker E: Don't. [00:56:41] Speaker F: Don't tell them about who posted it. Who posted it. [00:56:44] Speaker A: Exposed. [00:56:45] Speaker G: I mean, that was me. [00:56:47] Speaker E: I'm sure it's only 10 years old and so 848 views. [00:56:53] Speaker B: Not a big fan of the podcast, but the Podacast I'm a big fan of. [00:56:57] Speaker A: That's pretty great. I will say. Five years ago for Thanksgiving we had a Jeopardy episode for four Wards instead of a real thing. And I did post a video of that and it was in the episode description at the time. That's still on my YouTube. I can, I can go and pull that link and add it to the episode description if I remember listeners. If I don't, ping me in the discord and I'll fix it. [00:57:19] Speaker E: Yeah, that's my face. [00:57:21] Speaker A: That's, I think the most recent video that four Wards has done. [00:57:26] Speaker B: I also think it's just like it was, it was an interesting time back then. And what got me really excited with 4 wards is like the proper AS. Like everyone was calling the Trinity Forest Podcast was like. And the LCS rundown, like, we had different corners covered that were focused on, like, the metagame and what the pros were doing and what we were kind of like all the new patch note changes. But, like, for me, what I always got me excited about league was just like, trying to get better or, like, trying to help people get better and all that kind of stuff. And so. And so, like, I thought that was kind of a nice thing about fort words is that, like, it was always just focused on, like, the game and, like, how to move forward in the game. And like, I think as much as like, that, that kind of almost kept it evergreen in a way, you know, because, like, we always were interested in, like, talking about, like, different things, like split pushing and like, different things to work on. And I always enjoyed that. And I think, you know, it was a very different time, a different podcast landscape. But I still think that's part of what makes this show great. Like, even 500 episodes later, like, that, that's kind of what draws people to keep playing league. [00:58:30] Speaker A: Fair enough. So on that note, I know most of you have quit League of Legends, so you can. You can make it past tense for when you were still playing for each of the wards. What's kept you playing or involved in the game and the podcast for all these years? And if you don't want to answer, that's fine too. [00:58:46] Speaker D: I can go what people think. Because for me, it was playing on fives teams, like playing with Clash and playing in some of the, like, you know, semi pro, like, discord leagues that pop up. Like, I have a friend that'll just like every now and then reach out like, hey, my team's missing a player. Can you sub tonight? And I'm like, I haven't played in four months, but sure. So it's that. It's like playing the game with Friends is kind of the most fun I have with it now. Like, I gave up on the rank grind a while ago when I failed to hit diamond, but my mental health's been better for that. And playing with Friends, the game is still actually fun. [00:59:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:19] Speaker E: I still have a weekly game night with Friends that exist. We formed it around a League of Legends 5's team 11 years ago at this point, and we still meet weekly. We've moved on from League of Legends to other things. We played Valorant for a while. Our recent game is actually Raven's Watch, which is a co op roguelike set in a nightmare fairy tale realm, which has been really cool. Recommended. But, like, I Played with Ertai last week. [00:59:51] Speaker A: Nice. [00:59:52] Speaker G: I need to kind of sign off here. I'm way past when I said I'd be done, so I'll put in my answer and then head off. But really with League and the podcast, it was, you know, the friends that kept me interested, kept me engaged. And same thing with the podcast, too, when it was just down to me and starting with the new guys and, like, you know, they're going to be fine. They. They got this going, but it just doesn't feel the same without the original wards. And, like, I'm blown away by the fact that, like, now at, like, episode 500 anyways, but always be impressed by that. So I really appreciate coming back on to talk League and talk podcasting for a little bit. God bless you. Good night. [01:00:47] Speaker B: Great to hear from you, Harbor. All the best. [01:00:49] Speaker C: It was great to meet you finally as the newest one of us. [01:00:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:52] Speaker G: I'll see you for the next reunion. [01:00:54] Speaker D: Absolutely. [01:00:56] Speaker E: See in 2027. [01:00:59] Speaker G: Good night. [01:00:59] Speaker A: Good night. [01:01:00] Speaker E: Good night. [01:01:01] Speaker A: All right, let's get a couple more of these questions because we also got some questions from Reigns. Reigns writes, without the if we change things, we wouldn't be here mentality, would you guys have genuinely done anything different? [01:01:15] Speaker F: Can you repeat that? Sorry, I missed the first part. [01:01:19] Speaker A: Without the if we changed things, we wouldn't be here mentality, would you guys have genuinely done anything different? [01:01:26] Speaker B: I mean, we were just talking about the video thing a moment ago, and we were kind of talking about different things we were involved with. Like, I think we. We. We were figuring a lot out at the time, and I think, like, the power of the community is really the thing that kind of blew me away. Like, I don't remember what landmark time we got to, like, the kind of extra life streams and some of the charity podcasts and some of the kind of community games that we did. But, like, I still very, very fondly remember that. And I feel like there was, like, a lot of stuff that we're kind of figuring out early on around just, like, how to make it engaging and how to, like, kind of like anything else. When you're four people that kind of meet over the Internet, we kind of had to get a sense of each other and all that kind of stuff. But, like, I think generally, like, podcasting was always kind of a big audio focus, at least for us. We were not typically one of those shows where you would need to, like, clip and all that kind of thing. And so, like, I think if we. We maybe optimized a little bit more to Kind of, like, streamline certain things and, like, emphasize some of the community stuff. That would have been cool, but, like, I, again, like, I know they said not to say it, but, like, it's, it's kind of like we wouldn't be here if we didn't, you know, just struggle through what we did. And I'm very, very proud of where we are today, so I'm pretty happy with what we did. [01:02:45] Speaker F: Yeah, I guess I feel similarly. I don't really know that it's something that, like, that's a answer that I can provide either, like, as a founder and somebody that's no longer involved, that's something more that other people pick up and roll with. And so they would have a better idea of knowing where we made mistakes and, you know, where we could have done better. From my just my own personal opinion, I, I, I guess I would have. Looking back on it, I think we probably should have played more games together as a group. I mean, we played some, played quite a few, but it wasn't, wasn't as. And by that, I mean not just like the four wards, but all of us, the tfn, we were pretty segregated as far as podcast groups. Proper, sticked with proper, and, you know, the esports, they stayed by themselves. And then us, we were sort of by ourselves, and we all just played by ourselves. I think, you know, the only thing I could really think of that probably would have helped the community better was if we were more involved with each other's, you know, games and podcasts, but we're pretty heavily segregated, so that kind of made that difficult. But again, yeah, as far as, like, our, what we could have done differently, you guys would know best, you know, what sort of habits we laid the groundwork for and if we made bad habits or whatnot. [01:04:23] Speaker A: No, I think you actually just hit it right there. The biggest thing is just we should have had all of the TFN podcasts more mingled than they were way back then. Like, it took 141 episodes for someone from Rundown to be on this show. It took 300 something episodes for Badger to be on Rundown, even though he loves esports, has been watching it at least as long as. I have literally brought an Esports meme onto this show. Yeah, I think he's still on Rundown. [01:04:54] Speaker C: Yes. [01:04:54] Speaker A: I wouldn't know. They kicked me off the show. [01:04:58] Speaker E: Part one. I've never listened to an episode of Rundown. [01:05:01] Speaker F: Yeah, I haven't listened to it for a very long time. [01:05:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that's okay. So I Want to do one more question before we wrap this up? Do you have a favorite or the most. We made it moment of the podcast? Something you remember? [01:05:15] Speaker E: I got recognized once in a game that was wild. [01:05:20] Speaker F: Oh, yeah, I've been. I was recognized a couple times in games, but I, I think what really hit it for us was when we got that, that intro. Like, that was huge for us. Like, that was our. We made it sort of thing because that made us feel like a real podcast. [01:05:37] Speaker B: I think that the intro was like, so cool. I also remember we were featured in the client, like the Trinity Forest Network and like four words had a subsection on it. Like, the whole network was like, literally like you'd launch League of Legends and it was like talking about our podcast community. And then I think, like, that got us all really jazzed up and excited. And then I think that, I mean, I mentioned it before, but, like, I, I didn't think that I was like throwing up a random, like, charity stream of us playing League of Legends community games was gonna really produce anything, but we raised like several thousand dollars for charity. Just, I was like that. I. That just made me very happy. Like, I was very proud of the community coming together, doing something fun. That was also kind of for a good cause. And episode 500, like, come on. Like, this is. [01:06:26] Speaker F: Oh yeah, that's pretty huge too. [01:06:27] Speaker B: Yeah, that's, that's, that's fine for me. [01:06:30] Speaker C: I've been here 60 episodes or so, so I'm the youngest of us. [01:06:34] Speaker D: Yeah, I think mine is. Sorry. I think mine was when we opened the Patreon, like when we did the TFN split and we actually got a couple subscribers, like, enough to support the hosting costs. Like, that was huge of like, people actually willing to spend some of their hard earned money to keep us on the air. [01:06:54] Speaker A: I'll be honest, guys. I literally paid for a year of hosting with the expectation of we're not going to get enough Patreon. The podcast is going to end after a year from now. And then Patreon stepped up and you guys actually subscribed and pay for the hosting to where I'm not paying out of pocket to run the show anymore. And that's so cool. That was going to be my answer as well, is actually getting support, getting to make new friends, bringing a couple of those Patreons onto the show. Two of those people in that shout out at the top of the episode are hosts on this podcast now. And I would have never even met them if not for this show. It's great. I love being able to make friends through the show. [01:07:34] Speaker E: It is I. Whenever someone made their own, I guess Jack said you make the forwards Discord years ago. [01:07:42] Speaker A: Um, I think you originally made this Discord. I don't know if that's shortly before you stopped being on the show, because I think Slack ended before you handed the reins over to me. [01:07:53] Speaker C: This Discord. This Discord I thought you made this. [01:07:56] Speaker A: Discord is the one that we made when TFN stopped using Slack. [01:08:00] Speaker E: Oh, well, maybe we just had a different one that we abandoned and I've. [01:08:04] Speaker A: Just updated it ever since. [01:08:06] Speaker E: Okay, well, anyway, like, it's. I don't know, Troll wander through many of the other channels, but, like, it seems huge and active and fun in a way that I would have never guessed or expected. So it's a nice little community you guys are building here. [01:08:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I love it. [01:08:26] Speaker F: Very impressed. [01:08:28] Speaker E: It's nice that you guys keep going after it. Seems like the proper gave up or just slowly faded away. And I don't even know what's happening anywhere else in the league scene. [01:08:41] Speaker A: Yeah, that's got more episodes than us, but they were two episodes a week for a long time. I think we've been running at least as long as them at this point. [01:08:49] Speaker F: Yeah, the fact that you guys have managed to endure that long and the. The premise that we had originally established too, which was really just like, focus on helping new players. Being able to keep that, like, attitude throughout the entire time is also really cool because a lot of podcasts might adjust because they might run out of ideas or how to approach the same topic the second dozen time. But yeah, I mean, we ran into that within the first year of doing it, so that's really cool. [01:09:25] Speaker A: We've kind of kept the mindset of, like, sure, we've covered this before, but the game's changed since then. There's new champions since then. We have different hosts on than we did the last time we covered it. So maybe there'll be a new perspective on it. And also the new players listening weren't necessarily listening back then. They haven't heard the old advice. There's value in repeating it. [01:09:46] Speaker C: Well, there's another major thing with. I'm going to shout out Codex here for this one. Even though she's not here, having another host who's closer down to the lower level is a great way to get a different perspective than we have a in the mid section. So, like, she's helped definitely bring things back to. Oh, that's what you see down there. Okay. [01:10:07] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it Helps keep us grounded because, like, I usually am plat, sometimes Emerald, so I can sometimes be a little oblivious to some of the problems newer players have. I've been playing this game for 15 years, by the way. [01:10:21] Speaker D: Emerald's a thing now. [01:10:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I was gonna say I was oblivious to what an emerald was until about, like, they added a rank in. [01:10:28] Speaker A: Between Platinum and diamond, and it's called Emerald. [01:10:31] Speaker C: Added, like, three ranks. [01:10:35] Speaker F: Oh, my goodness. [01:10:38] Speaker E: Actually, I listened to 499 earlier today just to get a sense of, like, what guys are talking about. It's like, oh, you're talking about Warding. Okay, cool. Although you also had a long discussion about, like, shouldn't Riot implement a system where they officially label things on the map? So everyone has a common vocabulary when pointing at things on the map. And I thought that was hilarious, because in Valorant, they literally did that. When you hit M and pull up the big map, everything is labeled. We're not going to get into how. On Ascent, there's a little shack with a boat in it, and there's a place on the map called Boathouse. And these aren't the same thing. Classic. But they've done that in their other game. I don't. [01:11:20] Speaker A: And not just that, but it's the thing. Like, Battle Royales have all these callouts of different locations on the Battle Royale map that people who play those games regularly just know what those locations are by name. [01:11:32] Speaker F: Acronyms. Acronyms, too. Like, you start talking. I mean, I don't know how many items are in the game now, but back when we played, like, we had acronyms for the items. And. Yeah, if you weren't aware of what that was, and you were just reading, you know, a common, you know, party chat at the beginning of a match, and you're just seeing all these acronyms. Like, the hell am I looking at? Like, what. What are you guys talking about? And acronyms. [01:11:57] Speaker E: Actually, I usually have this experience whenever Jax is talking about Path of Exile. It's like, oh, you do this and you do this and you do this, and then you lock it and you val it, and then you null it, and then you harvest it, and then you, I don't know, worship some sun God for a while, and then you get the item that's 10 times better than what you have right now. Cool. I'm gonna go play something else. [01:12:20] Speaker F: Yeah. [01:12:21] Speaker A: Couldn't be like that. [01:12:24] Speaker F: That's something I think I even brought up way back in the day, was like, they need a compendium for, like, terminology. Like, just so players could have, like you said, a common vernacular when they're talking about things and understand what people are referencing. [01:12:39] Speaker A: Well, and something I've run into is we have listeners who are in Europe and their client is in a different language. [01:12:45] Speaker F: Oh, yeah. [01:12:46] Speaker A: Languages have different, like, common terms for things to where. Like, even the. The term the community has come up with for where a location is on the map. It may be a different word in a different language. And if you're speaking to someone in English, but they play in a different client language, they may not know what the hell you're talking about. [01:13:07] Speaker F: Yeah. I'm actually kind of surprised nobody's, like, done coordinates and mapped it and just done, you know, like, chess. Chess notation, but for the main league map. Like, it just seems so, like, obvious and simple. [01:13:24] Speaker E: Doesn't it change now depending on what dragon? There's more than one kind of dragon, right? [01:13:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:29] Speaker E: Okay. Yeah. Doesn't it change a little bit depending on the dragon? [01:13:33] Speaker A: A little. [01:13:33] Speaker F: I don't know. Does the map change now? [01:13:35] Speaker C: Yes. [01:13:35] Speaker A: Yes. [01:13:36] Speaker F: Oh, interesting. [01:13:38] Speaker D: There's six Dragons and three Barons. [01:13:42] Speaker A: Yep. [01:13:42] Speaker E: There's more than one Baron. [01:13:44] Speaker A: There's more than one Baron. [01:13:45] Speaker C: There's also a new, new major objective called out of con. [01:13:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:49] Speaker D: And that can be either top lane or bot lane. [01:13:52] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. [01:13:53] Speaker E: Are you with me? [01:13:54] Speaker D: But I wish I was sometimes. [01:13:57] Speaker A: But there is. [01:13:57] Speaker D: Pros love throwing it. [01:13:59] Speaker A: There is one thing that has remained consistent over all these years, which is that if you just play Lucian in the top lane, you'll win all of your games. [01:14:06] Speaker D: True facts. [01:14:09] Speaker E: Yeah. But can you do it for 500 episodes? [01:14:12] Speaker C: 500 games? At least. [01:14:14] Speaker D: You can at least do it for 421 episodes. [01:14:19] Speaker A: Yes. Something like that. Guys, thank you so much for joining us for episode 500. [01:14:27] Speaker E: Thank you for having us. Thank you for keeping it going. And a big fucking congratulations. [01:14:32] Speaker F: Yeah, genuinely, our pleasure. And I, like, I said I'm thoroughly impressed and really can't thank you guys enough for continuing on with this. [01:14:44] Speaker B: No, I mean, as Darish and I, we wrote down, like, all right, in 10 years from now, we'll have episode 500 recorded. We'll all come back like, this was all part of it. No, seriously, like, incredible. Like, in this community, all the listeners out there, like, thank you for tuning in. Thank you for supporting the podcast. And genuinely, like, I. I really, really like. Even though I definitely don't play to the degree that I did back when I was on the podcast, like, the memories and the community will always be with me. And I, like, so proud of everything that all of you have done here. And congratulations on episode 500. [01:15:21] Speaker C: And thank you guys for building the foundation for where we are right now. This would not have been anywhere near where we're at without what you did to build it. [01:15:30] Speaker A: Absolutely. Do any of you have socials or twitch handles or anything you want to plug? [01:15:36] Speaker F: No, I'm fairly private. During COVID I even got rid of my Facebook and stuff, so I don't have anything like that, but totally fine. [01:15:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I think I'm in a similar boat now, But I'll always be here in spirit, you know, supporting from afar. [01:15:54] Speaker A: Well, I was gonna say what we're gonna plug then is the forwards podcast, Discord. The link is in the episode description. Come join the Discord. These guys are all in that discord now. [01:16:05] Speaker E: Yeah, if you ping me in the Discord, I might actually read it. [01:16:09] Speaker F: Likewise, you might get a Lux quote out of me. [01:16:13] Speaker E: Yes, I'll plug books. Read more books. [01:16:17] Speaker F: Oh, yeah. If you guys haven't read Dungeon Crawler Carl, read Dungeon Crawler Carl. [01:16:21] Speaker D: Like the person to recommend that to me. [01:16:23] Speaker F: If you haven't read it yet, Carl. [01:16:25] Speaker E: Themed tabletop RPG that my friends are developing. [01:16:29] Speaker F: I. I will gladly better play that. So let me know. [01:16:34] Speaker C: Well, for plugging books, I'm gonna plug the Dresden Files. I love that series. [01:16:38] Speaker E: I'll throw out Deadly Education by Naomi Novik and Organomics by Zachary Pike. [01:16:44] Speaker A: There you go. Thank you, guys. Have a great night. [01:16:48] Speaker C: Good night, everybody. [01:16:49] Speaker D: Good night. [01:16:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:52] Speaker D: Thanks for listening to the four Wards Podcast. If you want to support the show directly, consider checking out our [email protected] the Four Wards Podcast. And of course, send your questions to the Four Wards podcastmail.com so we can answer them live on the show. That's the Four Wards podcastmail.com.