[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome to the Four Wards Podcast.
[00:00:07] Speaker B: Hey, what's up?
[00:00:08] Speaker C: It's Eric Bra, voice of Draven Jerks and Velkoz and you're listening to the Four Wards Podcast here to help you move forward in league.
[00:00:35] Speaker C: Hello and welcome to episode 510 of the Four Wards podcast. I'm your host as usual. I'm Jack Sohman and I've got with me two other wards to help you move forward in League of Legends. We've got Mike of many names.
[00:00:49] Speaker B: I have the oldest camera here and.
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[00:00:54] Speaker A: I got the second oldest camera here or newest I guess, depending on release date.
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[00:01:22] Speaker B: Oh God yeah, there will be probably.
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All right, guys, last main patch of the year 25.24 is out. We will. If they follow the last several years playbook, we will get a micro patch in a week or so which will be numbers only balance changes.
This is the last one with any kind of mechanical changes for the year, so we got a lot to highlight here. There's some big changes and some small ones. The first I want to highlight though, before we get into our individual things.
This patch brings their new Wasid control scheme to the game in some unranked queues.
If you are playing custom games, swiftplay or Aram Regular Aram, I don't know if it's in. It says also it's in Aram Mayhem and it says aurorf. Is AURORF active right now?
[00:03:53] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:03:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:54] Speaker C: Okay. So Aurorf and in arena you can play with Wasid in those queues if you want. You can remap the controls. You can use the new camera features.
You can control the game with was it instead of with mouse click to move yourself around for this patch. Briar and Taliyah cannot be played Wased. If you set up wased controls and then go play a queue that does not support Wased yet, such as normal drafts or any ranked queue, you will be defaulted back to your regular controls. It will just fall back to the point and click controls. This is beta. They are looking for feedback and testing. If this is interesting to you, try it out and give them feedback.
[00:04:38] Speaker B: All right. Pillow. I have a question for you. What? Have you ever heard it called wased before? I always heard Wasda.
[00:04:44] Speaker A: I think I probably heard it all Wasda.
[00:04:47] Speaker C: Wasd. I don't give a shit. Whatever you want to call it. Wasd.
[00:04:50] Speaker B: No, yeah, it's. It's just a.
[00:04:53] Speaker A: Can't be any worse than me calling a riposte Ripazote.
[00:04:57] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: Fair. Fair game.
This is a interesting change. There's the potential that this could be absolutely broken on some champions.
So this is why they're trying to get the beta out and as many unranked things as possible as quickly as possible. Go in and do your due diligence and testing. And if you find that it's busted on Champions, throw it out there because they need to know sooner rather than later.
[00:05:23] Speaker C: Yep. I do find it interesting. Like Briar kind of makes sense to me. It's weird to me that Taliyah is disabled for Wasid right now.
[00:05:31] Speaker B: It's because she can cast everything while moving.
[00:05:34] Speaker A: So here's a question and have any of you guys tried it yet?
[00:05:37] Speaker B: No, I never will.
[00:05:38] Speaker A: Okay. So like, I have no interest in it. So. But like, do you still target with your mouse or are you just like.
[00:05:45] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:05:46] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: That's how your facing is gonna work.
[00:05:50] Speaker C: Yeah. Your mouse still controls all of your actions other than movement.
[00:05:54] Speaker A: Gotcha.
[00:05:56] Speaker C: All it is is changing movement from right clicking the ground into was it instead that.
[00:06:01] Speaker B: That could be something that becomes incredibly interesting.
[00:06:05] Speaker B: Because of like facing things like Cassiopeia and Shaco, etc. How it deals with facing with movement. Because in a lot of other games, Wasda, you start strafing when you. When you move and you have your. Your aim going in a certain direction. So how they decide to make that function is going to be very interesting. And it will. It will determine what effects.
[00:06:28] Speaker C: I think questions like that are a distinct reason why this is not enabled in normal drafts, which is intended as the practice queue for ranked and ranked right now. Because they need to sort out all of those edge cases before it can be allowed in ranked queues. And normal draft just follows the same rules because it is the practice mode for ranked.
[00:06:51] Speaker B: Yes.
Yeah. If you're interested, go give it a try. If you're not interested, I would try it once. I'm probably gonna try it once and probably never use it again. Because I prefer this way. I know I prefer this way because other games that used Wasda and then have other things I have disliked. When they introduced it into path of exile 2, when they introduced it into a couple of other games, it has been not my style.
[00:07:16] Speaker C: Path of exile 2 is going to be literally my example.
I tried it in path of exile 2. I was excited to try it as something different and I did not stick with it.
And path of Exile 2's implementation is even more favorable than the implementation in League because path of exile 2, they added the ability to cast while moving. You only get slowed down during an ability cast instead of stopping, which feels a lot better on Wasda than it would on mouse click. And I still preferred mouse click.
[00:07:45] Speaker B: Yeah. And. And there are certain Characters who are sort of based around Wasda movement. And I still prefer not doing it that way.
So it may end up being something that completely changes and gets other people into the game.
Talk of people who've always bounced off before. See if this is something that will get them to bounce in. I'm gonna try it once.
[00:08:07] Speaker C: Exactly. All right, so actual patch changes.
Pillow. I'm gonna have you kick it off because I think your first change in your list is one of the most interesting ones in the patch.
[00:08:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd say it's the most interesting. And it's probably like the largest change in this patch.
So I've had a chance to play Sejuani this patch and she is now ap.
Like, she can be built AP and be viable. So she got a lot of AP ratio buffs across the board.
[00:08:40] Speaker A: We'll start with her Q. Her cooldown went down by one second. Mana cost went down by 10 and her AP ratio went up 15%.
W got the Mana cost went down. AP ratio up by 10% permafrost, which is her E that encases you after a certain amount of autos or your teammate. Autos went up by 10% on the AP ratio when you hit somebody with it. And the R's cooldown got reduced at the early levels was by what, 2010 seconds at first rank and then 5 seconds at the second rank. Last rank is unchanged.
It feels good. I've been kind of excited about this change because I like Sejuani. I think she's a fun. She's kind of fun to play.
Her wave wiping is insane with her W and Q.
Like, she can wipe raves really easily. She can play safe because her Q is a pretty large dash. She's got slows built into her kit. Her ultimate is a stop button, a stop someone button, and a slowing field. Like, she just feels good. She's got a really good kit for Top Lane and they even said, like, they're trying to make a top Sejuani and AP Sejuani more viable.
[00:09:56] Speaker B: So is this going to make her a little bit more like Amumu in this sense where you get mixture AP tank or was she full AP was like, how did you work with this?
[00:10:06] Speaker C: I'm going to talk from a jungle perspective briefly. I think what this changes is that for Jungle, getting a rift maker on, like second or third item is really valid.
[00:10:17] Speaker C: Which is different than Amumu. Amumu is so goddamn tanky. He doesn't need one of his items to provide tankiness. So he goes Liandry's because it gives him a ton of damage.
Sejuani is not in that boat. She is one of the squishiest tanks in the game. Which is why I think it has to be Riftmaker specifically. And it can't be first.
[00:10:35] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:10:35] Speaker A: I would say she is the squishiest after her passive, like, wears off.
[00:10:40] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:10:40] Speaker B: And that's why she's so squishy. Because for her, the first, what, four seconds or something. She's untouchable.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: Yes. She's so hard to hit a lot of stats. That's why I like Trundles and Mordekaisers. Like counter her pretty easily because of they start combat, steal her stats, and then she loses all of her stats.
[00:11:00] Speaker B: Yeah. The other big one is Sejuani. Scales with health still, don't forget about that. So Riftmaker getting health, getting healing in there gives more power to Sejuani.
[00:11:12] Speaker A: So when you would build A.P. sejuani in the past and it would always be like a Rylai's rush because it goes really good with her kit, the additional slow.
But. But now it's like Rylai's into leandry's into riftmaker. You can swap those two out if you want.
[00:11:29] Speaker B: I don't know if I would.
[00:11:30] Speaker A: And then you go in the build tank.
[00:11:33] Speaker C: Why Rylai's.
[00:11:35] Speaker A: It's always been a part of her kit in the top lane. Like in any build that you check, it's probably going to have a Rylai's in it in the top lane. And I think it all has to do just with their extra slow.
I have no clue.
It's probably because of, I would imagine, the HP and the ability power. There isn't a whole lot of items that are probably great on her. And it is.
[00:11:58] Speaker B: I think they have changed since there are a lot more HP AP items now. So like Riftmaker being one of them. Cosmic Drive probably is going to be really strong with her.
[00:12:12] Speaker B: Liandries I'm not sure about. Obviously you're going to be facing tanky people up top, but it's not exactly a heavy AP item. And she's got some pretty hefty AP ratios now.
[00:12:23] Speaker C: And she has a slow built into her W and she has a stun and a knockup on her other two basic abilities. I feel like Rylai's is a mistake. The only thing Rylai's with is if you hit the first part of the W and not the second.
[00:12:36] Speaker A: Liandry's felt really good on her when I was playing her just because of the W. Poke like you don't have to commit on them. You just poke the W and it just continuously drains them.
[00:12:46] Speaker A: Same with like, I mean, all of her abilities obviously apply it. And now with them all having a pretty decent AP ratio, it felt really good. Again, it's not like you're always going to build the injuries because if they have no tanks, why would you ever build that item? You'd be better off probably going something else.
[00:13:02] Speaker B: She's going to be good with that new item that they were talking about, that double on hit thing.
[00:13:08] Speaker C: Well, we'll get there when we cover the preseason. There's a few champions that are shockingly good with it. I think she's on the like regular good list.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: But yeah, not a lot of Sejuani players out there. So this is. If you are a Sejuani player, this is a good change. Like you didn't get hurt anywhere, so you only got stronger.
[00:13:30] Speaker C: All right, I'm gonna talk briefly about Swain because he got a massive early game buff. This is mostly a buff to support Swain, although it is also a mild buff to farming Swain in the early to mid game. Swain's heal whenever he procs his passive used to be 3 to 6% of his health. Based on level, it's now just a flat 6%.
Just every time you land a root, every time someone dies near you, every time you land a w, you heal 6% of your max HP.
[00:14:01] Speaker A: And I think that's per person hit, right?
[00:14:03] Speaker B: Yes. Like if you get multiple, it's per bird you would gain.
[00:14:07] Speaker C: Yes, it's very potent, especially on support because you level up so much slower. So you're now getting the full value much Sooner at level one as opposed to you might not have ever reached the 6% before.
[00:14:23] Speaker B: It's royal disgusting.
[00:14:25] Speaker A: It's very easy in a teamfight to like hit your. Your E in your W. So just thinking like in a team fight, it's very easy for you to heal just 40%. Boom, right there in the first couple seconds. Especially since you're going to be a main focus.
[00:14:39] Speaker B: Well, the most you can heal in one second is 30 for a full five man hit.
[00:14:43] Speaker C: Well, but you have two abilities that grant it. What if you landed the godly five man root like Orianna shockwaves, five people together and then you five man root, five man W. If that happens, you can heal 60% of your max health in. In an instant.
[00:14:58] Speaker B: If that happens, congratulations. You finally hit the same level of healing as Aatrox.
[00:15:02] Speaker C: I know.
[00:15:05] Speaker A: On top of his all already healing for a crap ton.
[00:15:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Like it felt like a problem.
I think this was an over over buff a little bit. I think Swain's healing has always been the problem with him.
[00:15:19] Speaker C: I would rather power get taken elsewhere because this is the skill expression part of his healing.
[00:15:25] Speaker A: So the only thing that, like, I hate, I hate about abilities that just give you a flat healing percent, like 6% for swain now he can just build whatever he wants, like, and there's no scaling to his healing. Like, so he could theoretically, and I've talked about in the past in jokes with it, but he can just go tank with a couple AP items and just be fine.
[00:15:48] Speaker C: That's pretty much always been the correct way to build him. You get like a Rylai's and malignants because that's all the damage you really need. It keeps people stuck in your ult and malignants. Proccing every three seconds on your ult is absurd.
And I think that's spirit visage and whatever other tank items make sense.
[00:16:04] Speaker A: Yeah, you can get spirit visage.
[00:16:06] Speaker B: My point is, I think this is a problem because it's a percentage. I think you should still get healing from it and I think it should still be a decent number, but it should be a numeric number. It should have a scaling number with potentially a stat weight bonus.
[00:16:19] Speaker C: To have an AP ratio. It should have an AP ratio instead of being a flat 6%. If it was 3% plus 1% per hundred AP, that would be much stronger.
Whatever number makes sense, that would be much stronger eventually. But it require him to actually invest in AP to get there. So I'm fine with that as an idea.
[00:16:41] Speaker B: Yeah. But that's my problem with it is I think it's just too much rape.
[00:16:44] Speaker C: Base healing for now. If you were already playing Swain, enjoy. If you weren't, maybe consider banning him. He's really fucking strong right now.
[00:16:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:54] Speaker A: I'm just looking at the swains now that as soon as they hit an E, like a guaranteed 12% of their health back.
[00:17:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Me and Mike win against a swain who would have beaten us anyway because this dude was fucking good. But he just wouldn't die because he kept landing the heels and it was just.
[00:17:11] Speaker B: He landed so many things. He went from 1% to like 15 to 20% multiple times.
It was disgusting. He should have been dead.
[00:17:22] Speaker C: Here's what's amusing though.
His win rate on mid went down on this patch. I would only guess more people played him by 2%. His win rate went down.
[00:17:35] Speaker B: Yeah. More people playing him and they're not good at grabbing people.
[00:17:38] Speaker C: The pick rate did double.
[00:17:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:40] Speaker C: And that is exactly why it's just funny.
[00:17:43] Speaker A: Well, that's double.
[00:17:46] Speaker C: Swain support has the expected outcome of his win rate went up noticeably.
[00:17:52] Speaker B: Yeah, that's, I think, where he's a. He's a problem. I think Swain's support is a problem.
[00:17:57] Speaker C: He's real good.
[00:17:58] Speaker B: Although I can speak on another champion that showed up in support and was a problem.
[00:18:03] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:18:04] Speaker B: I keep telling people not to play her support, and I still think this is true.
[00:18:07] Speaker C: It's more true now than it was before.
[00:18:10] Speaker B: Mel is getting another tap. This is a tap. They're changing a little bit of damage and they're taking away some power from it. So last patch, she got a buff to her passive and a nerf to her E. They're giving a little bit more nerfs to her E.
[00:18:28] Speaker B: This just solidifies that, I think E cannot be maxed as your first max. It's just going to ruin you, especially so you can't do support max on this.
Her base damage on the orb is going scaling down 20, so it starts the same and ends 20 less base damage.
The damage per second is doing a similar thing. It's scaling from the Same at level one down to 24 less at the max rank. The lingering debuff is losing a quarter second, which matters a lot because that's how many ticks are going off. So you're losing like two or three ticks. So you're doing noticeably less because that's minimum, like 36 plus damage per. Because of how many ticks were gonna happen. I think it was every 0.1 seconds it ticked. And then the mana cost is also getting a scaling addition. So it was 50 to 70. That's 50 to 90. So going up by 20 at max rank. Stop maxing E. You are hurting yourself. Maxing E. You have. They have buffed the Q. You do more damage with your Q. You can repeat Q more often and you can proc your passive more often with Q, which is where your damage is now, their stated goal. And this is a. This is the. The right thing that they talk about. She's not mathematically overpowered.
She's really frustrating to play against if you don't know how to play against her. And so they're making it so that her E, which is the most problematic portion of her damage, is less oppressive. It should. Like, if you are good at Mel, you're still going to be good at Mel and you're still going to find a lot of damage going through things because the raw power from her Q and her passive is still there. Her ult is still dumb. Stop playing her support. Don't max E. It still needs to be your second max because it does a ton of damage and your reflect well. It gets a little bit cheaper and does more damage and is on a lower cooldown is not a core part of your identity. You can't split bam your W which you need to be able to do to keep your passive stacks up. So you need to go Q into E but go Q into E. All right.
[00:20:39] Speaker C: Speaking of supports pillow, tell us about one that maybe people should be playing.
Yeah.
[00:20:44] Speaker A: Sticking with the Freljordian theme, I got Braum in here.
[00:20:50] Speaker A: So Braum is just getting a little early durability, getting 20 extra base health. But the big change comes to his passive which is the, I think the four hit passive.
It puts the mark on it. At the end of it, it stuns and it lets Braum do bonus damage to whoever has the passive on it. It was 20% and the follow up damage is going from 20% up to 40%. It's doubling. So that's pretty significant.
Don't see Braum getting a lot of changes because he's normally in a good spot.
[00:21:21] Speaker C: I do want to put those numbers into context.
At level 8, that is an extra 20 damage per auto attack after you've procced your stun until they become stunnable again.
[00:21:31] Speaker B: And that's like five, 10 seconds. So you're doing a good chunk of damage.
[00:21:37] Speaker C: Yeah. And again that's. That's at level 8, not 18 8.
[00:21:42] Speaker C: It scales up pretty quickly and then the scaling tapers off because again, he's a support.
It's kind of crazy.
I don't.
[00:21:51] Speaker A: It's been a long time since I've played Braum and I've been a longer time probably since I've read his passive. It just doesn't like affect his allies. Attacking to it like doesn't weaken the opponent for the allies, does it? Just him.
[00:22:03] Speaker C: Just him. It's just his basic attacks. I almost wonder if on Hit Jungle Braum is going to be back. If you remember, a very old host of this podcast used to play that regularly and talk about it.
[00:22:17] Speaker B: You hit one cube wandering out of a jungle and that's. They're gone, they're not going anywhere.
[00:22:23] Speaker C: It might actually be decent with this, which is insane because that build is stupid and it's troll, but maybe fun in norms.
[00:22:30] Speaker B: It's like the same sort of weird that Jungle.
[00:22:35] Speaker B: Taric is.
[00:22:36] Speaker C: Yeah. Where it's like this champion feels like they shouldn't be a good jungler. Why is this working?
Taric is a shockingly legit jungler. His clear speed is like B tier. But his dueling and ganks are actually solid.
[00:22:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:51] Speaker C: Alright. Speaking of B tier, how about a champion? I wish was in B tier. Zed is fucking overpowered in the jungle. And Riot finally realized it. So they decided he should not be the fastest clear in the entire game.
Which is what he was.
They think this is going to push him out of being literally the fastest. But they don't want Jungle Zed to go away entirely. So they're nerfing his monster damage multiplier on his passive. It was double damage. Now it's 1.8 times damage. I don't think this goes far enough. He's still going to be the fastest clear in the game outside of Ivern.
[00:23:30] Speaker B: I'm not sure that's true. There's a couple people who have some pretty insane clears. Zeds is good. Zed's passive was part of the reason why it was so good.
I think it's still going to be very, very high. I think he will still be S tier jungle speed clearing. I think Zed had one noticeable. Like if you are Jungle Zed, your only goal is to do damage on a gank. You have no CC in your kit. There are a couple of other assassin junglers who are really good into Zed. If you know Zed is the jungler. And that's where things fall apart is knowing when Zed is the jungler.
[00:24:03] Speaker C: Yeah. Because any smart team is gonna leave their mid lane for last. So that you don't actually know whether it's Zed Jungle or Zed Mid or leave their jungle for last. If it is a Zed Mid and.
[00:24:13] Speaker B: You don't know which there comes a. Like this. This power PowerPoint with Zed. He clears really quickly. He ganks decently because he has such high burst damage. But he's not as good of an assassin ganker as like.
Talon is a better ganker.
Naafiri is a better ganker.
Zed is a much faster clearer. Much faster clearer. But both Talon and Naafiri are really good into Zed.
[00:24:42] Speaker C: I just hate someone who's such a strong duelist and all in Champion also being the fastest clear in the game.
[00:24:48] Speaker B: Yeah. I think he should be knocked down to one and a half times or less.
[00:24:54] Speaker C: Riot states that they think Ivern is going to Be the fastest clear in the game after this change.
Ivern doesn't manifest him having a fast clear in an oppressive way. He doesn't go, oh, I've cleared all six camps by the time you've cleared four or five. And now I'm level four, you're level three, so I push you off the last one and kill you. Which is what Zedd does. It's not even about his ganks. It's about the fact that other junglers can't fight him.
[00:25:18] Speaker B: And I don't know if this is just something that we were seeing last night. Invades have been fucking rising like crazy. Yep.
[00:25:26] Speaker C: Some streamer has popularized just hard invade mindlessly, constantly, because people don't react to it. And it works because people don't react to it.
Speaking of people don't react to it, Mike, this champion mostly got nerfed last patch, but they didn't have it in the notes, so now they're covering it here. Tell us what changed with Zahen since we covered him last week.
[00:25:48] Speaker B: There are a lot of changes to Zahen. Some of them are from last week. Some of them, they have added.
[00:25:54] Speaker B: The really important baseline one you need to know.
They changed his stack maximum on his passive from a 3.3 to 2.8. The AD PER stack. That changes a lot of his total damage potential. It doesn't change early.
So his early game pretty much unaffected. His late game was disgustingly powerful. If you could get that passive capped, they're toning that down a bit and it's good. They also toned down his 80 ratios on his Q down 10%. And then the base damage for the second cast was reduced last patch. They noticed that this negatively affected his jungle and have given him some compensation buffs. He now has a significantly better modifier to jungle minions on his Q, but it also has a 1 second longer cooldown across all ranks.
[00:26:53] Speaker B: Q's very strong. Your main damage source, it's still your main upgrade. First you clear camps really quickly, really quickly. And then your E you took some sweet spot damage at later ranks 4 to 8, not a 4 to 6.
That's a if you're good at hitting sweet spot. So decent nerf. Otherwise, if you weren't sweet spot hitting people, no damage change. Zahen is still strong. He's not. He's not being kicked out of anything here. In fact, I think this actually makes his jungle much stronger. Having the the modifier early is big. One second isn't a huge deal for cooldown reduction. When you get a double cast and Honestly, like it's. It's a great way to avoid some of Zahan's early weaknesses and allow you to just show up in a fight and be a threat.
[00:27:46] Speaker C: Fair enough. Alright, I've got a trinket tip for us this week, guys. Right now this only affects you if you have Discord Nitro. Because the feature I'm about to explain is apparently an early access feature for Discord Nitro users.
However, if you have Discord Nitro and Discord has realized that your system is high end hardware, I do not know what metrics they are defining that as.
They have enabled a feature called Clips by default. In Discord Clips, the feature is basically screen recording your games and saving whatever length of time it saves.
So that if you press the Clip button, it will save a recording of that last 30 seconds.
[00:28:35] Speaker B: You can capture your highlights.
[00:28:37] Speaker C: Exactly. Capturing highlights to post on social media kind of stuff.
That's the intent of the feature. Here's the problem.
League of Legends does not like any kind of program doing any kind of game capture or screen capture in the background unless it is an explicitly allowed whitelisted program such as obs.
We had this issue a year ago where OBS had to update the certificate that they sign OBS with and League did not update their whitelist. And you could not stream League of Legends using game capture unless you stayed on an old version of obs for like nine months.
Because if you did update your OBS, you suddenly ran League at 10 to 30 frames per second.
Well now Discord is causing that. So check your Discord settings. If you are a Nitro user, turn off clips. They are destroying your framerate in League of Legends and that is not hyperbole. I have a fairly high end computer. I regularly while streaming with a vtuber, which is that's a fairly like demanding, resource intensive environment. I get 150 frames per second.
I was getting 30 with clips enabled. Turn this shit off.
And shame on Discord for turning a feature like this on. Instead of making it opt in, it should not be opt out, it should be opt in.
So that's our trinket.
[00:30:09] Speaker B: It should be automatically turned on for you like this. If it gets it, you should notify you and have give you. You have the option of doing this. Now Stop. Stop auto turning on functions.
[00:30:18] Speaker C: So yeah, if you are a Discord Nitro user, turn off clips. Your frame rate will thank you. If you need help figuring out how to do that, ping me in the Discord. I'll guide you. It's really not hard it's just stupid that we have to do it and then restart Discord afterwards because it won't actually turn off clips until you've completely closed Discord. Not closed the window, actually closed the program and relaunched it. Okay, we got our trinket tip out of the way. Let's answer some listener questions and we have promoted a question to the top of the list because I think it's a really good question and we want to talk about it.
This comes from Toast in the Discord who Do you have any tips for helping a completely new player learn the game? I have a friend I talked into playing league and they're having fun but they're definitely still struggling and I'm not quite good enough to help them all that much. It seems to me like they have some issues dying to their lane opponent frequently and having low cs.
I've been playing some bot games with them so they can learn some basics of how to control their champ and all that. Do I just let them play and learn passively and be there to answer questions they have or are there things I can help more with?
[00:31:26] Speaker A: That's a good question. I mean I like to think of it like think back when you were a new player and all the things that you were probably dying very often and missing all your cs. Try to think of things that would have helped you.
[00:31:38] Speaker B: I legitimately don't know if I remember that far back. That's. That's 20.
[00:31:42] Speaker A: Try to better understand that game for me like when I introduce someone to league and this has been a few years now.
Of course you do like the bot games. It's you know, good kind of base a one on like a one v one custom helps a lot where you can kind of explain things in a live environment.
[00:32:04] Speaker C: That was going to be my number one suggestion you mentioned CSing, which tells me that your friend wants to play some farming role and isn't just looking to just play support.
I think the best way to learn mid top or AD carry from a completely new player perspective is to have an experienced friend play against them but play a teaching game against them. You want to show them what they're doing wrong and explain why it's wrong and what to do instead with demonstrations where you can show them how the mistakes work out and how the good parts work out because you are their opponent and talk them through it. It's the same way you teach someone to learn to play chess.
Basically playing a game like that is.
[00:32:51] Speaker A: Key practice tool is really good at this too because you can just Reset waves and reset the game. Like if something happens on the first wave and you're trying to just teach because that first wave is probably, you know, one of the most important.
[00:33:04] Speaker A: You can just reset that one over and over again until they figure it out. It's kind of like how junglers go and practice their clear.
[00:33:10] Speaker B: And you can multi. Multi person practice tool now so you can just stick to it with each other. That's. That's one of the best things that they have now changed because multi person practice tools a thing.
I have actively introduced several people to League.
One of the main things I have done is ask them to play certain other types of games because it helps train you because of what League is based off of. League is based off of RTS games like that. That's. That's just a core concept to it.
So if you want to like, hey, this is a good way of training to learn. A lot of RTS games have a lot better new person intro into them because they're slow to introduce things and they teach you hotkeys, they teach you movement things so you can learn the movement basics you need and the camera control you're going to want to know. This comes very easily when you start playing rtss. So I'll obviously I'm going to talk about starcraft there because it's the primary one. Starcraft is a great place to have people learn the basics of it but also they have a bunch of custom games that also do the same thing.
[00:34:19] Speaker C: And here's the cool part about RTs. They can learn these like core fundamental mechanical things in a story driven campaign environment.
You don't need to play multiplayer starcraft.
[00:34:32] Speaker B: No. And all of those have very easy modes where there's almost. It becomes a simplistic game to play in comparison to the brutally difficult. They have the challenges if they want to start learning to pick up the pace. These teach a lot of the same fundamental basics of how to control the character, but none of the minutia. So this is a really big help into picking up any MOBA but gives you none of the specifics for any MOBAs. So the next thing you really need to learn would be csing which becomes the next core concept.
[00:35:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I was also gonna say if they're having a hard time with the mouse controls specifically, have them try was it's enabled now.
[00:35:16] Speaker B: Maybe, maybe WASA will fix things for you and make it so that it's easier to play for them.
[00:35:22] Speaker C: It is intentionally for making the game more accessible to more people.
[00:35:28] Speaker A: There's Also a strategy. And some people just don't listen and don't learn from a teacher perspective.
And the next thing like I was going to recommend is just Trial by Fire.
I mean that's. That's how a lot of people learn. You just go into. And just beat your head into norms after norm after norm. Or Swift play. Swift play. Swift play a Ram Aram Amway. I mean, I think it's. Is Brawl still in the game?
[00:35:54] Speaker B: Brawl still in the game.
[00:35:56] Speaker A: Yeah, Brawl. That's the intended purpose of Brawl now until it leaves, I think next month to help new players kind of learn the basic of combat.
I mean, that's how I learned. I learned Trial by combat or Trial by Fire.
That's how I grew with the game. I started with the game. That's how we had to all learn. There was nobody out there to really teach you how to play the game.
[00:36:19] Speaker B: I started with TFT in this game mode because I wanted to do a smaller game mode and see what it was like in comparison to Dota. But I played original Dota. So like I've got. I've got so much time based on it that I don't remember the first time learning how to play these games anymore. I understood how to play league when I started playing league.
The other core thing I think you really want to do, show them every champion. Just show them. Go through a list and see what resonates with you. What do you look like? What do you like the look of?
And that's going to be a key point of entry is find something they connect with. They like this champion. It looks really cool, man. They don't play like I want to play. What did you want to learn what they played like? Well, I wanted to try and do this. Okay, this champion plays more like what you wanted that to be. Let's see if you like this. And that's how a lot of other people have started to get into it. I had a friend who really liked the look of Aurora. Couldn't stand playing, but she really liked Ahri. Similar champion. Not the same play style, but same sort of. There's some high mobility in there with some catch and some burst without the weirdness of how Aurora plays.
So that's how you like associate things with. With you like the style of the champion. Maybe you'll like this one. It has a similar style and a little bit more like what you wanted to play like.
[00:37:47] Speaker A: And one more depending on like your friend's situation. Like if they have the extra money and they how serious they are. With it, they can consider like coaching. Like coaching is always an option. It's available out there and like I said, it really depends on if your friend's comfortable with it, if they, if they got the extra money they want to spend on it, how serious they are with it.
Because there are some really good coaches out there that will like really take the time to teach someone. And then there are some coaches that just aren't great and are kind of just in it for the clit farming and.
[00:38:24] Speaker A: The. The what? The screen time, I guess.
So you can do some research on that if that's something that interests them.
[00:38:32] Speaker B: If the I'll put the offer out here because I probably will be around enough. If you're putting this forward and you have a new person coming on, we'll be hanging around a ton with the new year coming up. If you want to have them play, we'll happily sit back and watch games from perspectives. Hey, do you want to backseat someone to help you learn things? We're happy to be around and help teach people. I'm giving a little bit of an offer. I'm going to be around a lot to do this and I've done this with a couple of you. I'm happy to sit there and just. You want to backseat sometimes I like watching watching people play instead of playing myself. And I could give you hey, I saw you mixing up this thing. Maybe this is what you want to start trying to do.
[00:39:12] Speaker A: All right.
[00:39:13] Speaker C: That's why we pumped this what this question right up to the top. We all liked it. We wanted to talk about it. All right. Now we're going back to chronological order. We got some more questions. We got, of course, Reigns. Thank you for always writing in. We have more questions from Reigns.
Reigns writes attack speed is another topic hotly contested on a subreddit, rather than asking you if it's good or not. On the champion, how do you generically understand why attack speed is better versus Ability haste? On some champions, specifically Top Lane skirmishers and duelists, I assume it's tied to where their damage is. Autos versus abilities and things like Aatrox, Riven and Ambessa want haste. Fiora, Jax and the Wind Shitters want attack speed. But then Garen is one of the few unique cases that can build both because of how his kit works.
[00:39:59] Speaker B: Garen is unique because his E actually scales with attack speed. Yep.
[00:40:04] Speaker C: Which is where his in the tooltip.
[00:40:06] Speaker B: So because of that, that's why Garen has the multi ping there.
[00:40:11] Speaker C: Incidentally, the wind shitters are under the Same situation, their Q and in Yone's case, his W as well. Scale a cooldown with attack speed.
[00:40:19] Speaker B: Yeah, so that's their portion there, what you're looking for between those attack speed versus ability haste. Really what are you doing most when you play the champion?
Aatrox is casting his Q a lot. Riven is casting her Q a lot. And Bessa is bouncing between Qwe all the time.
So realistically that's where their, their power points are. So you want to see them more often to hit ability haste, Fiora, Jax, they're auto attacking all the goddamn time. So attack speed is a core component of their kits.
They need attack speed so that they can deal that damage more quickly. Fiora's an odd one here because Fiora does and doesn't need both of these.
Eventually she scales to a point where you don't even have the option of fighting her. She kills you in three seconds.
[00:41:10] Speaker A: Because of her differences, I would say with some of these, like Fiora you're mentioning, they don't get a lot of attack speed items. They get like one, maybe two. Like I'm looking like triforce, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna compare.
So Fiora, why you don't build a whole lot of attack speed on her is because she has a lot of auto attack resets. Like she can. It's kind of just built into her kit to get the autos out that she needs. Same thing with like Darius. Darius builds like maybe a triforce depending on your build.
A stridebreaker, I think that has attack speed in it. All these have attack speed built into them because like if you went attack speed on Darius, like, yeah, he'd attack very fast, but he would hit with like a wet noodle. He's not going to do the damage that he needs. Like a lot of these bruisers that aren't building attack speed, it's because they prioritize AD over it. Because they need the AD because that's where they're scaling. Like that's where all their damage is coming from.
If, if you, you know, you'll see like some people might go like Fiora Hale blades or Darius Halo blades. Because attack speed does feel really good on them. But they don't scale great with attack speed. Really. Like that's.
[00:42:23] Speaker B: Yeah. The key you need to find out is what are you doing consistently. Most of Jax is specifically auto attacking most. The closest other thing to like a Jax is trundle consistent quick auto attacks, auto attack reset, that he can spam relatively quickly.
They both really like attack speed. But Trundle has a huge attack speed steroid built into his kit. So he buys less attack speed because he has a lot in this kit. The most, most attack speed you will ever see a normal build with is two items. Because two items offers you more than enough attack speed if attack speed is one of the core pieces of that, that item.
[00:43:06] Speaker A: Of course you always have like oddball champions like Irelia Kayle. I mean because they are Kayl's auto attack centered champions. Like Irelia, she wants to be auto attacking because that's how she keeps her passive up.
[00:43:23] Speaker A: It's like Kayle Aurelia's Passive is an attack speed steroid.
So they do focus a little bit more about attack speed.
But as far as why you can't just, like I said earlier, why you can't just build attack speed on everybody because the kits aren't designed around that like yeah, you can find somebody that's going to go full crit attack speed, you know, Renekton or Darius. And they might do a lot of damage, but they're going to be squishy because they're not focusing on the build that they should be doing.
Because they need attack speed and health or attack damage and health. Like there's just better options for that class of the role that, that you're looking for.
[00:44:02] Speaker B: The synergy in the kit, really, that's the word we're looking for you. The synergy in the kit, the kit is what the entire champion is built around. Passive abilities, etc. If you're synergistically working with attack speed, that's where it works best. If you are consistently casting abilities, obviously you're not going to be attacking so often so you don't want a lot of attack speed. The, the real question for a lot of those other champions becomes when do I build Raw AD versus when do I build Bruiser ad?
[00:44:29] Speaker C: Yep, it's the same kind of thing. Like Ezreal for example, doesn't really build attack speed beyond Trinity Force. And very rarely a Bork because he gets a lot from his passive and his kit is about throwing spells, not about auto attacks specifically. Even though you definitely should be using them.
[00:44:47] Speaker A: Same for Smolder. Like Smolder. She doesn't build. He doesn't build a bunch of attack speed. He just. He's focused on his abilities doing the damage for him.
[00:44:55] Speaker C: All right, we got another couple questions from Reigns. Let's get these questions in because I think this next one's gonna go fast. Why is Akali so oppressive in Lane.
[00:45:05] Speaker B: She's bullshit.
[00:45:06] Speaker C: She has.
Yes, she has good consistent poke. She has wave clear and she can flex top or mid with minimal unplayable matchups. What is she balanced around and how do you beat her? If her main ability is Q and it is a low cost and low.
[00:45:18] Speaker B: Cooldown, this is the I say she's bullshit. She is. Her Q is not low cost. You get three casts out of it and then you don't have any casts anymore. Energy Champions are weird in that Akali. Akali is designed around the burst, but she has such easily attainable burst that we call her bullshit because she has the single highest one hit combo, 1q, 1w, 1e, 1r. Using every part of that ability does more base damage than anyone else in the game in that combo.
[00:45:53] Speaker C: Yep, her base damages are actually just psycho.
[00:45:57] Speaker B: So I've said this before. She does more damage with that full combo than Vieger does. Until Vieger hits 1100 AP which is post five items.
[00:46:10] Speaker C: As far as how to beat her, you have to dodge the shuriken flip. Just you don't have a choice. If she hits shuriken flip, she gets 100% AP ratio and 70 base damage. At rank one damage on you, she just wins trades with that because then also her shuriken flip naturally procs her passive. So she gets a passive proc on you and it sets her up for an undodgeable Q.
Like it just her shuriken flip is the only skill shot that she actually needs to skillshot. As long as she hits that, everything else is automatic and that's why she feels oppressive. As far as how to beat her honestly, Malzahar.
[00:46:49] Speaker A: Malzahar is great into an akali because you can just sit back, stand back. You don't have to ever interact with her. If you don't have to interact with her, she's not going to kill you. She's going to get frustrated, try to dive you under tower and you're going to press R on her.
[00:47:02] Speaker B: The big problem with that is that a good akali or a competent Akali which is not even a good player. They just need to know. All right, I can't deal with you. Time to go to the sideline and get farm. Time to go to the sideline and get a free kill.
[00:47:14] Speaker C: That's the they're gonna go kill your bot lane repeatedly.
[00:47:17] Speaker B: So the way to beat Akali realistically is have something that does a similar function. I'm gonna go destroy your other side and then hopefully by the time you're the only one Left, we can dogpile you.
[00:47:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I have a lot of points in mastery on Akali because I really enjoyed playing her. Her weakest matchups come to those people like they were talking about. She got single best one shot like rotation. But if she can't one shot you after she's blown her whole front end load, she's kind of just useless.
She's going to sit in that shroud.
If I go against Nikali, if I'm in mid lane and I go against Akali, I play a tank. If I play against Akali in top lane, I just play a tank or a bruiser. Like someone that she can't just burn through in one combo.
[00:48:07] Speaker C: If you want to beat Akali, the easiest answer other than Malzahar, let's play Galio.
[00:48:14] Speaker B: Galio is an AP just bruiser tank that does damage.
[00:48:18] Speaker C: You literally rush the Hollow radiance. So you're rushing Mr. Against an assassin, which they're very unhappy about. Rushing the resistance station. Galio's base damages are also absurd. And when she gets to the point where she just shoves the wave and starts roaming, Galio is the best counter roamer in the game.
[00:48:36] Speaker B: Yes.
Galio is a great answer to this one because it works in both top and mid.
[00:48:40] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:48:41] Speaker B: My. My biggest thing is I fight like assassin with assassin. I. I counter her with the same champion. I counter Zed with Naafiri because in much the same way that Zed autonomous power is popped in that ultimate and he just gets to blow you the fuck up. Nefarious W completely negates that. Oh no. I've been hit with the shuriken. W. Now you're on the timer. You do have to time it. Right.
[00:49:04] Speaker A: Bonus point with Naafuri is she puts a dot on her that you can see her in her shroud.
[00:49:08] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:49:09] Speaker B: So like I. I really like Naafiri into. Into Akali, but it's a hard matchup if you're not good with it.
[00:49:16] Speaker C: The easiest answer is ban her. She has a like 10% ban rate right now for a reason.
[00:49:23] Speaker B: She is my usual ban until recently when Zed got out of control and I started banning Zed like crazy. Much the same way that Jax always banned Xarelia. Akali is one of my personal counters in that I have had such a hard time beating her because it doesn't matter if I win in lane. She walks to somewhere else, gets a kill. And it doesn't matter that she went 05. She's hit the point where she can get a kill. She. She's gonna get more kills and I.
[00:49:51] Speaker A: Know we'll talk about it eventually. She's gonna be a monster next season too.
[00:49:56] Speaker B: Sounds like it.
[00:49:57] Speaker C: Don't remind me.
[00:49:58] Speaker A: Hextech, Gunblade.
[00:50:00] Speaker C: I know we'll get there when that patch hits. Alright. Reigns has one more question. Since my journey with Ambessa is at an end, is learning Aatrox climb friendly? If I'm only in silver, I'm already learning Zahen. And he's fun but he seems very counter pickable. He is very counter pickable.
[00:50:18] Speaker B: He's very counterable. But he also, as we mentioned before, he can survive most of his counters pretty well.
[00:50:26] Speaker B: Hard one I'm gonna say.
[00:50:29] Speaker A: No, I would say he is. I think he is. He's got a very simple kit. Like you just hit hit the cues. If you don't hit the cues, you don't have to go in.
[00:50:39] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:50:40] Speaker A: Like you can farm safely.
[00:50:41] Speaker B: You don't do damage and then some.
[00:50:44] Speaker A: And that's okay because like you'll like. Aatrox is weak early anyway. That's why a lot of people have been playing him. Jungle. He's got the same kind of why is the hens good in the jungle? Just comes out and all of a sudden he's a teamfight monster. He's weak early, he's got his weaknesses. But when he gets a couple items like he is a monster, I would just say yes he is. But that's because like I would like.
[00:51:05] Speaker B: To know why you're like Bessa is out of that. Because if Bessa was a problem with the amount of movement and easily hit she has, I think you're going to have a harder time with Aatrox.
[00:51:16] Speaker C: They're both very micro intensive.
[00:51:19] Speaker B: So depending on why your journey with Embessa is at an end, I would say no to Aatrox.
[00:51:24] Speaker C: All right, let's get a question from Cinder in here. How can I push my lead if I'm 3 0? As a jungler, I've been playing Pantheon and Echo.
[00:51:33] Speaker B: We sort of mentioned it earlier.
[00:51:34] Speaker C: Yeah, we did invade. Most junglers cannot duel a Pantheon or Echo who's ahead at all. Especially in Silver. Most Laners do not react when their jungler is invaded. At least not in time.
[00:51:50] Speaker B: And both Pantheon and Echo have some of the best escape you can get.
[00:51:54] Speaker C: Yup, you can.
On Pantheon, you go in, you're 3 0. You're probably level 6 by the time you're 3 0. You walk into their jungle, catch them on a camp, kill them. But you see that the top and mid have left lane and are collapsing on you. Presumably just ult out. Just somewhere in your jungle, wherever is easiest to immediately click. Who gives a shit? You're not out. You got a kill for free.
[00:52:17] Speaker B: Echo, you've jumped over a wall. You've instantly killed someone. You hit ultimate, you're back on the other side of the wall again. Yup.
[00:52:23] Speaker C: Or you don't need to, depending on the circumstance.
[00:52:26] Speaker B: Or you duel the next two people who show up.
[00:52:28] Speaker C: Exactly. Ekko is really good at the like, oh, you're gonna one v one me now. Oh, you're gonna one v one me now. Oh, you're gonna one v one me now. Kind of like chaining kills. Pantheon's a little less good at that just because he has more cooldown gating on his stuff.
Other than invade the enemy jungler, by the time you're 3 0, presumably at least one of your lanes is also doing well. Snowball them. If none of your lanes are doing well, then that may or may not work. You kind of just have to pick someone that you want to be a winner and hope that they follow up correctly.
[00:53:01] Speaker B: With both Pantheon and Echo, they have incredibly good bot lane ganks.
[00:53:05] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:53:07] Speaker B: If your bot lane is the one that is feeding, it's a hard trouble. But as a 3 0, you can, generally speaking, bail them out unless they fed hard.
[00:53:19] Speaker B: Key point. Before you do anything when you're 3 0, go back and buy.
Make sure you have maximum items before you take that power somewhere.
[00:53:27] Speaker C: For the love of God, please don't forget to buy.
I've had a lot of games recently where our jungler, regardless of whether it was someone I was in call with or if it was a rando, is sitting on like 2 to 3,000 gold. And they're actually weaker than the rest of the map, even though they're a level up and have multiple kills just because they haven't spent their gold yet.
[00:53:48] Speaker C: All right, any other thoughts on pushing your lead as a jungler? Because to me, the easiest answer is just go gank for your Lucian in the top lane. You'll win every time you start on hillbillies.
[00:53:58] Speaker B: Blow them the fuck up.
[00:53:59] Speaker C: There you go. All right, guys, this has been episode 510 of the Four Wards podcast. I've been Jack Sohlman for Mike and many names for Pillow Pet. Have a great night.
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