[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome to the Four Wards Podcast.
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[00:00:13] Speaker B: And you're listening to the Four Wards.
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[00:00:35] Speaker B: Hello and welcome to episode 484 of the Four Wards podcast. I'm your host, as usual. I'm Jack Sohman, and I've got with me two other wards to help you move forward in League of Legends. We've got Mike of many names.
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Alright, now that we got all the intro stuff out of the way, our topic for tonight is one that I think is probably relevant to a lot of listeners, which is coming back to League of Legends after you take a long break. And we are defining a long break to mean multiple months to X number of years.
So like you're gone for a month cause you were out of the country. That's not a long break.
Long break is like there have been so many patches, you don't even know what the fuck anything is anymore kind of stuff.
So when you want to return to League after a long break, let's start with what are things you can do to DeRust to try to get back to roughly the level of confidence, competence you left League of Legends at.
[00:04:12] Speaker A: There's a, there's a first and foremost thing you definitely need to do and that is check the patch notes just to see what major things have changed. Specifically if you have a champion you really love, check out what happened with them. If there have been anything on the rift that you can see that looks a little weird, check and see if that's happened and items.
[00:04:35] Speaker B: So I want to clarify this because we are not saying you should just go on to the League of Legends website, go to the patch notes, pull up every patch note since you left and look at, look through all of them. That would be insane.
What we're suggesting is look at the like major season patch notes for the current season.
This is usually going to be like 25.01 for 2025. When 2026 rolls around, that'll be patch 26.01, unless they change the naming scheme again. Again because that's where the bulk of the like systemic changes are gonna be.
And then look up the champions you care most about and look through their patch history and see if there's anything that's beyond just like number tweaks.
Because you're returning from a long break, you don't care about a patch that says this ability does 10 more damage or 10 less damage.
You do not care. What you care about is things like this ability now. Roots, enemies and doesn't do what it did before kinda stuff.
Those are the things you're looking for when you look through your champions patches. You want to know mechanically what may have changed with your main.
[00:05:53] Speaker A: Here's a good example of that. Naafiri got a minor tweak rework midway through last major season.
Completely changed her alt and her W. Everything else remained relatively the same. You need to know those things, but you don't need to know up a little damage, down a little damage if you cared about it. Like you don't need to read anything that happened to Syndra in the past six months.
[00:06:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Because she hasn't had any fundamental mechanical changes. And that's what you're looking through the patch history of your champions for is mechanical changes. Things that change the feel or the functionality of your champion.
[00:06:32] Speaker C: I would also say anytime you have like large systemic item changes. So for example, recently they've redone all of the AP items. Most likely mage focused like AP items you probably should go through and just kind of like get. Get a gist of like. Like how is this going to affect a variety of mages in. In a larger pool.
[00:07:02] Speaker B: I agree. When it comes to like season change patches like the 25.01 because items tend to change identity somewhat there. This recent mage item rework you care about a lot. If you are playing a mage and you were playing before the patch and you're playing after the patch.
If you're coming in from months or years of rust and you want to play a mage, all you need to know is what do the items your champion builds now do.
[00:07:27] Speaker C: It's true. Yeah.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: That's the important distinction because yes, they changed a lot. For example, horizon focus changed to not have a damage amp and have a lot more AP instead.
You coming from rust, you don't care about that. You just care about this is good damage item.
[00:07:47] Speaker A: So there's. There's a distinction between. Right here we're talking about the ease of coming back and learning and then over time relearning all the actual information you're going to as you play more re pick up what all your items do. Re pick up what everything else does. But for the ease of just the return, all you care about is big changes.
If something like fundamentally like they've added a couple of new items.
What are these? These didn't exist last time I played. There's now a magic pen item that you have that does ticking. What?
Yeah.
These sort of things, you need to know they exist, but you don't need to know the ins and outs when to build exactly. Yet those are something that you'll get as you have pulled some of the rust off.
[00:08:45] Speaker C: I would also say figure out kind of when, like go to the latest champion that you remember releasing before you left and note all of the new champions go and just take them into like a little.
The little practice tool and play around with their kits. Just so you generally understand what they do.
[00:09:05] Speaker B: Yep. Depending on how long you've been gone, it may not be feasible to literally play all of them immediately, but you should at least read through it and have a vague idea of what they do. Because if it's been like four years, that's like 20 champions that you need to learn what the hell they do that didn't exist before. Plus some reworks.
[00:09:25] Speaker C: Plus reworks, yeah. It's a demanding game.
[00:09:30] Speaker A: It's much easier than it was 10 years ago when they were popping out 15, 20 champions a year.
[00:09:36] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:09:36] Speaker A: But even still, learning 10 champions because you've been gone for two and a half years is a lot to. To ask.
And so your, your, your main thing is what does it do? Do? Do what we were talking about the other week before, figuring out the bare basics of what the champion does. Okay, we're good. We understand what they are in concept. Now I can go back into figuring out the play. Unless of course, you suddenly really like that champion, in which case we can squish that into the next point in topic and go, maybe this is a new role I want to take.
[00:10:18] Speaker B: So since you're segueing into it, what do you do if you just say, you know what, I haven't played this game in years. I don't want to be an ad carry anymore. I want to do something else.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: So I have a bit of an example, but not to the same degree as a lot of other people. As I have stated many times, I play every role, but I sort of specialize in different roles at a time based on what everyone else around me does or what I can find that I enjoy playing a lot.
I took a very large break, a complete break from ranked entirely for three years or so.
And the last time I played a lot of ranked, I was a top laner. And that's all I pretty much did, apart from whatever anyone else needed me. I would go in and play everything else. But when I played ranked, I primarily played ranked as top.
I stopped playing ranked for three years.
I barely played Summoner's Rift at all. And I sort of sometimes played Aram with friends.
It got to the point where I almost didn't play league at all. And when I did, it was an occasional game with a friend here or there, almost exclusively. Aram coming back into Summoner's Rift was an eye opener because the game is entirely different to that.
And there had been a lot of new champions since I'd played them, so I knew what they did, but they weren't the same feel, because nothing is the same from Aram to Summoner's Rift. So everything about that game was completely, completely different to me.
And I sort of became mostly a midna jungler because the champions that had released at that time felt better to play. For me. There's something that I really enjoyed now, and that's sometimes just a thing. Like if you find you just do a little bit of a play and hey, I really like how this thing plays. I think this is really fun.
Maybe that's your new shift. That's. That's what gets you back into playing.
Or perhaps it's, I'm duoing with someone because, hey, I can actually duo with someone now. I can do ranked again, what synergizes well with what they're playing.
And that sort of was another reason that I started playing a lot of jungler, because jungle synergizes with anybody.
You can play jungle with any other duo partner, and it'll always be at least good.
[00:12:56] Speaker B: Yeah. If you are someone who plays ranked with a lot of different friends, you are probably a jungler just full stop, whether or not you were before.
[00:13:06] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true.
So one of the main things that is a point when you're coming back is just getting a little bit of, what does the game feel like now? Does it still have that same sort of cadence that it did before?
And in my case, no. Last time I played normals, there was no grubs. There was barely a herald.
And there was a different Chemdrake.
[00:13:39] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Like a very different chemist.
[00:13:42] Speaker B: Chemdrake is gone.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: I despised that chemrift. It was horrible.
[00:13:47] Speaker C: Especially the jungle. Like, the jungle vision issues.
[00:13:52] Speaker A: That was the thing that I hated the most about it. That Rift was the worst thing ever. I could care less about the rank.
[00:13:58] Speaker B: I hated that so much more than I hated the scion passive.
[00:14:02] Speaker A: That everyone was objectively stronger.
[00:14:05] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:14:06] Speaker A: But the vision ruined my games.
[00:14:08] Speaker C: Yeah, it just ruined.
[00:14:08] Speaker B: It wasn't nearly as frustrating as the vision.
[00:14:11] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:14:12] Speaker A: So, yeah, just. Just getting some cadence games in there.
What felt different and the game did feel different, and suddenly jungle was a lot more fun.
[00:14:25] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know. So I'm in a spot. This is one of the main reasons why we brought up this question is that.
So I was. I was waiting in Sweden for a bit and I just haven't felt the itch for the last couple weeks. So I'm not in a long break. We're on in multiple months. We're in a slong break. Right. With only like, you know, four weeks. Right. And so, like, I guess I'm kind of in this place where I've played a fair bit of support. Like I consider myself a competent support least previously.
And, you know, I.
I understand Carrie at this point. Like, I've put enough hours into it that I definitely understand it now, but I don't know. I don't know where I want to go. And like, when. When do you choose a new role other than just like pure fun? Because I don't queue up for like, Phil.
Right. So, like, do I just roulette this?
[00:15:23] Speaker A: So, yeah, that the. The entire queue system is completely different than how it used to be as well. When last I played having priority and secondary, there was just a queue. Last time there was no, nothing like that.
[00:15:36] Speaker C: And besides, I feel that Phil is just auto filled, protected jungle anyway.
So, like, I feel seem to be.
[00:15:43] Speaker A: That way or support is a very.
[00:15:44] Speaker C: Common one is the other one.
[00:15:45] Speaker A: Because support isn't a very popular role.
[00:15:48] Speaker C: Right.
[00:15:50] Speaker A: So the first thing would be, is there something that you have seen that excites you?
I'll give a good example.
I absolutely loved the release of Briar.
Briar looked so fun.
There were a couple other champions that like popped up that I went, ooh, this is a really interesting champion. I love this one.
Mel is another example. Vex is another example.
These three champions were really interesting, most of them mechanically, but a couple of them. I love Vex's personality. She's. She's the sarcastic little shadow Yordle. I love her.
And I got to the point where, like, all right, I think I want to really just try them. I think they are the ones who call out to me to want to play.
And so those two roles kind of essentially were what I was. All right, I want to try these people out.
They're primarily played in these roles.
I'm gonna queue for these roles and see if I can snatch them.
[00:16:59] Speaker C: So I've done a very brief tour of Jungle and I did a very brief tour of Top.
So with Jungle, I did Nocturne and Morgana, because Morgana was really strong at the time. It was when she first came with the True democratization of jungle and everyone can do jungle.
And I really played Morgana in support previously, so it really worked out well. I also felt that Nocturne's reference points were really, really simple. Like if ult up should be ganking, if ult down should be farming generally.
Right. It was just super easy to understand.
With top, I think I. I played Nessus and Yorick so like I. I was one. One split pushing mechanic mostly.
So.
And, and so when. When I think about possibly going to another role that I haven't been ADC or support, I'm. I'm thinking like with TOP Lane. The one thing I really like about TOP is that again it's. It's a solo lane, right? So it's. It's just you, right? You piloting your champion against the other champion. And I'm not saying that the jungle doesn't come up in gank every now and again, but like it is kind of you versus them. Right?
I haven't actually touched mid a ton just because like it is a very, very popular role and like it tends to get snagged.
The other thing is, is that all of my friend groups have mids.
So like it's just one of these things where it's just like eh.
I don't have the same level of like understanding but at the same time like, like choosing a new role and being mid until Yunara comes out, like, I don't know, just seems like kind of been like an interesting journey to go on. But I don't know. What are you guys thinking?
[00:18:59] Speaker A: Well one, fortunately for you, if you want to play mid, both of us are happy to play other roles. So we can queue and you can figure out mid to your heart's content.
Yep, that's the handy thing about coming back to people who play everything.
We're happy to try anything.
[00:19:18] Speaker B: On that note, listeners join the 4 wards discord link is in the episode description and ping me or Mike because we're usually around at least every evening and be like, hey, I want to play such and such.
You want to play norms with me?
There's a decent chance that we'll say yes. And there's a decent chance that we'd be able to talk you through whatever you need to know to pick up that champion.
[00:19:43] Speaker A: Almost assuredly, I've played every new champion that has come out in the last six years.
[00:19:49] Speaker B: We may not be experts on every champion, but we'll be able to teach you the basics on any champion.
[00:19:55] Speaker C: So why should I learn top? I guess if I yeah, yeah. Why would I learn top?
[00:20:03] Speaker A: So Top lane is a great place to be if you are someone who likes doing consistent fighting. If you like doing back and forths with your opponent, top's a great place because that's where you're going to be.
If you like the design and the aesthetics of the more brawlery things, the things that look like they are the beefcakes, the big ones, Darius Garen, a lot of those end up in top lane. So if you really like the aesthetic of them, a lot of them end up up there, tryndamere, etc.
If you want to play your own little sub game, which is the split push game, that is pretty much the role that does it.
It's probably the least liked out of all the little subgroup things because a lot of people think you just don't play the game when you do the split push game.
But you can win games that would be unwinnable otherwise doing that.
So it allows you the ability to have a different kind of agency.
It also is like if you want to learn to be the beefcake tank, the big I am the one who will save everyone, get on my back as I shove us forward.
That is another place to be on top lane.
These are like the main priority things that you would learn in top lane. Or if you really want to get into the intricacies of wave management, if this is like a goal of yours to learn the fine details of wave management. Top lane.
[00:21:51] Speaker C: Coop.
So thoughts on mid.
[00:22:00] Speaker B: Don't pick up mid as your role when you're returning from rust.
That's my thoughts on mid. Like if you're already a mid laner, sure, return to mid lane.
But if you're coming back from rust, mid and jungle are the roles you should not immediately jump into learning because you need to learn the basic game before you learn the roaming roles.
[00:22:19] Speaker A: Mid has the most diverse champion pool by a lot.
[00:22:24] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:22:25] Speaker A: So it is if unless you are like coming back from like two, three months, mid's okay. Then if you're coming back from multiple years away, mid's a little bit harder because you have mages, you have assassins, you have fighters, sometimes you have supporters.
[00:22:42] Speaker B: Mid lanes, you have tactic carries, you have enchanters. Yet literally every role exists in mid lane. And you also have to learn how to roam out of mid lane to affect side lanes.
[00:22:55] Speaker A: So yeah, and mid lane, pretty much you're the one who controls pretty much. Whether or not your jungler has access to certain points, you are the the advocate for. Can we move into other sides because your push matters a lot.
You're sort of the gatekeeper for whether or not a jungler can do tricks into the enemy jungler.
As we were talking, if we're going to go into the jungle, then the jungle. 100%. Your first and only priority is learning the clear.
That's your main thing. You learn how to do that clear and you don't play a normal. When you learn that clear, you go into either a custom or like a co op vs AI just to learn the clear.
That's it.
Once you've done it and you know how it does, then you can start playing into actual people.
Because this is the one roll that is fully PvE for like four or five minutes unless there is shenanigans.
[00:24:08] Speaker C: It makes sense.
So, yeah, I don't know.
Generally speaking, when I'm trying to go like, again, we're in a slong break. Not, not a long break. But when, when I get back into ranked, I usually do do like, I want to say like three games of normals, like three games of something where I'm piling, piloting my champion with intent that isn't ranked. And then I just go directly into ranked.
Yeah, but I don't know, like, would you. Do you feel it's different for actual long breaks? Like, do you guys do anything else?
[00:24:48] Speaker A: 100%, yes.
Jax is a. Jax is a freak.
Jax doesn't stop.
You don't stop playing is the thing. So you haven't. What was, when was the last time you had a break longer than three weeks?
[00:25:03] Speaker B: I don't think it's happened since 2009.
Yeah, so that's not hyperbole.
[00:25:10] Speaker A: Jax is not the person to ask answer a lot of these portions. Here's, here's the thing. I did break away from ranked for five, six years.
You should play. If you have not played in multiple years, you should play at least 30 games of normals to get a full feel on the game.
30 is my conservative number or my, my generous number. There's. Conservatively you should do like 50. But not everyone has that much time.
30 is a good amount of that. You will now understand how the game works. You will now understand everything about the champion that you are trying to play. Other champions that are being played in the matchup and, and how the patch cycle has seemed to shake out.
You should have. Generally Speaking, in the 30 games, it usually happens over the course of a week.
You'll understand, oh, this is how things have been changing around as we've been playing. Okay.
And the other Thing really pretty much is a major thing is are you fully comfortable on your champion, Your priority champion, the one that you like playing the most.
Are you comfortable running them?
That's. That's the biggest thing.
But learning about everything else around it matters a lot more with ranked.
[00:26:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I think. I think that's it.
[00:26:53] Speaker B: Mike, you want to give our trinket tip since you're the one who experienced the other side of this.
[00:26:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I say the other side. I was the Smolder into this.
So as.
As a Malzahar don't spam minions against Smolder and Aurelion Sol, you are feeding them an unbelievable amount of power.
On average, Smolder should have about 1012 stacks a minute.
So at about the 20 minute mark is when he should be hitting 225. Little bit before, a little bit after. Usually I had 300 plus stacks by then. By the time the game ended at 24 minutes, I had over 400 stacks because Malzahar couldn't stop hitting his W.
There is nothing in the game that can survive a 400 sax mulder at 25 minutes.
[00:27:53] Speaker B: Not for very long at least.
[00:27:57] Speaker A: And Aurelion Sol is as good as or better with those stacks and he will have as many or more. It is disgusting.
[00:28:08] Speaker C: They really need.
[00:28:09] Speaker A: Don't do that to them.
[00:28:11] Speaker C: Yeah, they really need to upgrade.
Who's the dragon Princess Shyvana. They need to give her something so that she can. She can benefit from Malzahar minions as well.
[00:28:24] Speaker A: Oh God.
Yeah.
All we need is another stack power. She's the last dragon.
[00:28:28] Speaker C: Yeah, she's the last dragon.
[00:28:31] Speaker B: She needs an execute mechanic that just auto kills if the enemy gets below a threshold. Because both Aurelion Sol and Smolder have that.
[00:28:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean she's getting a rework. She is the next on the rework list. She should be getting a full rework soon.
[00:28:46] Speaker C: But it would be hilarious if she is the only one that doesn't get the Malzahar feeding like force feeding stacks.
[00:28:56] Speaker A: And it was. It was like it was force fed. Don't do it. You are. You are giving your opponent a win.
[00:29:04] Speaker C: Can just see this like little fat dragon like foie Grogu.
[00:29:09] Speaker A: Just like 100%. That's what I was.
[00:29:17] Speaker B: All right, let's get to some listener questions because you guys have actually written in a lot of them.
[00:29:23] Speaker C: Yay.
[00:29:24] Speaker B: We spent longer on our initial topic than we actually planned to. But that's fine. Just means these questions will last us a little bit longer.
So our first question tonight comes from Mike. Not the one who's on the show, a different Mike.
Mike writes hello Wards. I've been playing league for a few seasons now exclusively as an ad carry. I play MFG and Jinx. I've watched enough YouTube videos, listened to enough podcasts and lost enough games to have a decent understanding of game macro. I manage waves decently well. Know when I should be going to a side lane for solo XP and farm that is being ignored as the team clumps mid without objectives up, etc. I primarily play in silver with the occasional flirtation with gold. My question is on micro mechanics. I find there are times when I am in a fight and the enemy has one GP left, yet no matter what I do they just don't die and I go from 25% health to a grey screen. I feel like I am canceling autos by mashing right click and Q on MF for example. Is that what is happening and if so, do you have a recommended fix? I need something I can intentionally focus on until it becomes habitual.
[00:30:24] Speaker A: 100% you are canceling autos. I guarantee it.
[00:30:27] Speaker B: Yeah, so I do want to be clear. If you successfully right click on someone over and over, it will not cancel the auto. Why you are canceling autos is if you misclick and click the ground.
[00:30:40] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:30:41] Speaker B: Instead of continuing the auto that is in progress, you will start walking and then when you right click again on the person, you will cancel the walking and begin a new auto attack.
That's why it's canceling autos.
So don't do that. Click once. Once you've right clicked on someone, you will continue auto attacking them until they leave your auto attack range, at which point you will run after them until they reenter auto attack range or you issue a new command.
[00:31:14] Speaker A: The other thing is like learn or blocking or blocking is your ad carry's best friend. It is your bread and butter mechanic.
When you have mastered orb walking, you have mastered ad carry.
[00:31:29] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:31:31] Speaker C: All right, so I have an extensive amount of of experience with this.
I am not as high ranked as you are, but at the same time I am slowly but surely trying to fix the exact problem that you're dealing with.
The first thing that you need to do is make sure that your threat assessment is actually correct because your threat assessment is obviously off somehow. Like right, if they're just continuously at 1 GP and you're going from 25% to zero, something is off in your threat assessment. You need to get closer with your threat assessment.
That being said, I actually Agree with both of these guys. You are actually just dropping autos. Most likely the first thing you should do, you should slow down and watch footage more often. You need to slow down the footage, watch yourself, miss the auto.
I usually watch it 0.25%.
It becomes incredibly easy to see that you are dropping autos. You just find a death and just start doing it and start seeing yourself drop autos.
The only other one, consider where you are clicking your character. If you are actually right clicking. Wow. Like, damn.
I have my mouse inputs. Like auto attack is based on left click.
So I can go with move with my right click.
Auto attack, like auto attack click on my left. Left click.
So the thing I struggle with is that I am clicking like trying to click behind them effectively and then like move and then click and like it gets really yucky sometimes.
I've had immense success in clicking between me and the champion to move and attack because you can get it to be. There's a mouse travel thing that occurs that you can sometimes get into really sticky situations with if you aren't having really sanitized clicks.
[00:33:36] Speaker A: With Attack Move, it has a priority based on the distance between where you are clicking versus what the enemy is in the area.
[00:33:44] Speaker C: Yep, yep, yep, yep.
[00:33:45] Speaker A: It has a like priority system where if you click right in between a champion and a minion, it should generally speaking prioritize the champion.
[00:33:54] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:33:55] Speaker A: But you need to like, if you're, if you're attack clicking, you will just attack the nearest thing to you.
[00:34:00] Speaker C: Yep, yep. And. And that's the thing is knowing how that works.
[00:34:04] Speaker A: I'm sorry, to. To the click.
[00:34:06] Speaker C: Yeah, to. To the click. To the click. Yeah, yeah. And again, you need to have your settings like, like fully set up so that they are to the click and not to you because it is defaulted to you. There is an additional setting that is closer to the click.
But anyway, this isn't about UIs. It just unfortunately is adjacent to all of the UI stuff that you have to fight with to do this.
So again, just to reiterate, I highly recommend getting Attack Move click bound onto your left cursor.
It has a couple weird things that interact with the UI system, but like again, just get into discord.
I can literally just take you through it.
Consider again doing move and attack between you, your character and their character.
It just is a much easier travel time. So you don't lose. You don't lose frames is the only way I can describe it.
So the only other thing that kind of goes kind of bound, kind of taking a Step back and going back into threat. Threat assessment. Are you actually on the edge of your range? Yo, if so like you need to be pulling up range indicator literally like constantly throughout. Throughout this your circle should be up every single time you auto like it should like. You need to make sure that you are attacking at literally the edge of your range most of the time. There. There are situations where you just decide to health bar race. But yeah, you need to be in a situation where you're attacking close to the edge of your range at all time.
[00:35:38] Speaker A: That to me you're playing some interesting champions here in that your main's MF Jhin and Jinx. Jinx has that multi flip different range. So you do need to constantly keep a watch on that. But also your champions.
You are a hit what's in front of you. Champion.
Your goal with Jinx is get a kill. Any kill.
[00:36:00] Speaker C: Yeah. And it can and it can be.
[00:36:02] Speaker A: An assist and then suddenly you're off.
[00:36:04] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You just need to get your much.
[00:36:07] Speaker A: As as jinx is just do damage. Doesn't matter what's in front of you. Do damage at the edge of your range. As mf. Your goal is find that spot where they're in the biggest clump that I can get my alt off in.
And as Jin you're going who can I burst the quickest with one shot? Can I pop things off and then get to that fourth shot to blow someone up?
And so each of them plays a little bit differently in how a teamfight is going to work. If you're trying to play all of them the same, that is also going to cost you.
[00:36:42] Speaker C: There is one other thing. I'm glad Mike mentioned your champion pool because I didn't see it until he mentioned it.
You are playing mf.
MF does not. Given the luxury of fighting people in auto attacks the way that you are describing, if they are at 1hp, you are not going to beat them. You must pass the passive. So her passive is love tap, which is I deal more damage when I switch targets. If you are not switching targets, you are not dealing sufficient damage to kill people with mf. So you must have depends on the ad carry. It depends on the ad carry. And I'm not saying but I'm sorry. A lot of MF players struggle with this concept that you have to be. You have to be considering where your passive is being like passed in order to successfully deal sufficient damage to kill the target.
You have to think about that.
[00:37:40] Speaker B: I want to clarify this because I think that what you're saying can be misunderstood.
If your goal is maximize DPS on a single target, you should not be changing targets. But you are looking to get Q bounces that hit something else and then hit the target to reset the love tag.
[00:37:55] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:37:57] Speaker B: If your goal is just maximum damage output. Yes. Changing targets constantly will increase your overall damage output.
But mostly what you're trying to do is look for opportunities. Maybe hold that Q for half a second to get it to line up to where you can get a love tap proc on something else with Q. So your next auto will do bonus damage again.
[00:38:16] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:38:17] Speaker B: That will do more overall damage than if you queued half a second earlier and it didn't bounce to anything. And your love tap never reset on the target you're trying to kill.
[00:38:26] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:38:27] Speaker A: MF is a little different than the other two in that she is not a primarily auto attack based damage.
[00:38:32] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:38:32] Speaker A: Your big burst is coming from that Ult is coming from that Q.
Those are where your your big potent spikes are.
And you've got the movement speed generally speaking to back out, walk away, come back when you can.
So you should. You should be playing MF and Jinx definitely at the very edge of range and jin sometimes not even in the fight. You should be in a corner all day.
[00:39:00] Speaker C: Yeah. MF again is a marksman that wants immensely short trades. She wants to just whittle in, grab her thing, bail. That's what she wants to do for the bulk of laning phase.
But.
[00:39:19] Speaker B: All right.
So we kind of already addressed the rest of Mike's question too. Which is just how to climb with this is really just get better at your champion.
So we're gonna move on to the next question.
[00:39:35] Speaker A: The main one or block. That's your first thing.
[00:39:38] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true for literally every auto attack champion. By the way. Learn when your attack actually releases and you can cancel the backswing by moving.
This varies for every champion. It's literally a feel thing. You just have to play the champion enough to get the feel.
Okay. Let's get some more questions done.
Our next question comes from the Discord Toast wrote in.
I come bearing noob questions.
I've been playing league for around eight months or so and I came from FPS games like Valorant and Overwatch where there are obviously significantly fewer characters.
Most of my time in league has been in jungle, but I've played a good amount of ad carry and I've tried the rest of the roles at least a few times each.
One question I have is how do I decide what role I actually want to main. I know there's not just one correct role to pick. I just wonder if anyone has an idea of how to figure out what's right for me. All the roles have champs that are fun for me and have a hard time deciding what to play.
[00:40:37] Speaker A: If you like everything and you have someone to play with, Phil is a great option.
[00:40:45] Speaker C: Yep.
I would.
[00:40:49] Speaker A: You're not. You're not going to see the same.
Like, if you're working to climb ranked quickly, you're not going to see the same success as you would pulling it down.
But in all honesty, I think it probably makes you a better overall player.
[00:41:05] Speaker B: And I was gonna say, if you have been playing this game for eight months or so, there's so much to learn in League of Legends that unless you are literally like a JoJo Pune level prodigy, in which case you're beyond anything we could help you with.
You haven't learned enough to care about your rank yet.
[00:41:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:41:22] Speaker B: You should do what you're having the most fun with.
[00:41:23] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:41:25] Speaker A: And if you don't have a decision that the decision is play whatever feels good that day, maybe you just want to do something once today. All right, I'm done with junk for the day. Let's go mid. I'm not feeling mid right now. Let's go top.
Or you just, hey, my friends are all doing this. I'll play the fill. Whatever you guys need me for.
[00:41:45] Speaker C: If, for whatever reason you are, you know, type A like me and need structure in every single aspect of your life, which is okay. Like, we are. We are an inclusive environment.
My advice. So, like I said, I've spent enormous time in bot lane, both in support and in ad carry.
I did do a short, like 45 games in top and jungle.
I think that it actually made me a better player by understanding, like, the general concepts of, like, what, what you.
I think that you should pick two simple champions in each role. Like, kind of like your bread and butter ones. Like, if it was mid, I would guess that it would probably be Ahri and then maybe an Assassin champion with top. Like, like I said, I already mentioned earlier that I played Yorick and Nessus.
I think that with Jungle, I did Nocturne and Morgana, which Morgana is a little bit more off meta pick.
I would say Amumu and Nocturne are the, like, most common noob champions.
And with support.
Support runs the gamut. I would say Soraka and probably like something. Something like a Nautilus.
Yeah. So rock.
[00:43:15] Speaker A: The best learner friendly support is Probably Sona.
[00:43:20] Speaker C: Oh, I wouldn't.
[00:43:22] Speaker A: Everything done by Sona is done without you doing anything.
[00:43:26] Speaker C: Is true. I mean you get ranges. I just don't.
[00:43:28] Speaker A: It's just automatic.
[00:43:28] Speaker C: I don't. I don't like, like she. She squishy.
[00:43:31] Speaker A: Yo.
[00:43:31] Speaker C: She's so squishy. She's so squishy.
But like I said I would, I would pick two champions in every single role and just kind of like, like keep like you wander around that way is like stay. Stay in a lane for like 45 games but you know, swap champions and kind of it like wander around in the role for like 45 games but you know, pick different champions and stuff. But yeah, that's how I would do.
[00:43:57] Speaker A: You end up doing that if you want to just as. As a new player. The free ROP champion rotation is a great way to just. Hey, what's free this month?
[00:44:05] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:44:06] Speaker A: Let's take a look at what I can play.
[00:44:08] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:44:09] Speaker A: Does this look fun?
And maybe that'll be just the thing that suddenly gets you to go. I.
[00:44:20] Speaker B: Alright, let's continue then.
How do I play less emotionally and see the game objectively? I feel like I will blame my teammates for things when I die or something that's obviously my fault objectively.
I just have a hard time seeing that in the moment and I default to blaming others and I just tilt myself for no reason.
Maybe it's because I'm new.
[00:44:44] Speaker A: It's not because you knew.
[00:44:46] Speaker B: No, to a degree. Everyone does this. And developing the thick enough skin and mental fortitude to not do this is one of the skills that helps you get better at the game.
[00:44:59] Speaker C: I will say I feel that I get frustrated when I actually don't understand something. I just don't know it in the moment. So I can't solve the in moment other than take a deep breath.
But I will say that learning that my emotions get upset, like disturbed when it's actually about confusion. Like what the fuck is that, dude?
That kind of stuff is actually just confusion and not I'm just a weak little flower that can't handle her emotions. You know what I mean? This isn't just mental monkness. This is actually just confusion and learning the game too.
So like if you can maybe reframe it to being more about like Nah, dude, I'm still learning. I had no idea that Aatrox gets to heal through all of those things.
Like you know, that's the learning lesson. You take that game.
[00:45:57] Speaker A: So I have a little side one and that is find out what your. Your tilted Tells are.
There are tells when you will find that you are now tilted.
And I know why I have mine, and they are. My filter on aggression turns off, and I am now just aggressive, and that's when I know I am tilted.
If I no longer have that restraint, it's gone. I'm tilted.
[00:46:27] Speaker C: So what?
[00:46:28] Speaker A: Actually, those are the times when you need to be like, we need to back away.
And sometimes that's just right. It's. It's you, you. You back away after the game and either completely reset with something else, do something you're familiar with, or just take five minutes.
[00:46:46] Speaker C: So, Mike, what. What actually tilts you, bro?
I have to know.
[00:46:51] Speaker A: Oh, it's the biggest frustration I have in games, it's specifically in league, is when.
If I was playing that champion, it would not have worked out that way.
What the. The big thing that I've noticed is, like, how the hell is that much healing coming out of this champion? It's not doing that when I play that. Why.
Why are you still alive? Why are you doing these things? Or.
I've had those items before. How did you blow me up? You shouldn't have been able to blow me up. What the fuck is this?
Those are the things that explicitly tilt me off the face of the earth.
[00:47:33] Speaker C: Yeah.
So for me, the thing that tilts me off the face of the rift is it's a mage support, usually Brand. For whatever reason, I've decided brand is the one that I hate the most.
And during laning phase, they don't do much, and that's okay. Like, I get crappy supports all the time. Whatever, dude. Like, you got a really int to impress me.
But what happens is that they get upset with how the lane is going, so they just start taking all the farm. And then when I transition to mid, they just stay bot and just soak farm. And I am fighting for minions in mid with the mid laner. And then this zero sixteen brand is just soaking waves, doing nothing with the support item.
Like that. That. That one.
We got some tilt off the rift coming out of there.
Like, I just cannot handle it.
[00:48:33] Speaker A: Emotions happen.
[00:48:33] Speaker C: Yeah, emotions happen.
[00:48:34] Speaker A: Yo, you can't just completely kill yourself from your emotions. They'll happen in the game.
[00:48:40] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:48:40] Speaker A: So your best bet is hold off at the end of the game, see what's up. Am I tilted from this? Am I just fucked up? And if it was like, no, this one thing right here is what got me. Maybe that's time for a replay. See what happened. What is it that happened here?
[00:48:57] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:49:00] Speaker B: You want to Know my number one way to manage Tilt I my games so I can vent my fucking frustrations in the moment and get them off my chest so I can move on without saying shit in chat.
[00:49:15] Speaker A: Do not vent things into chat. Do not randomly start venting them out into chat. That is how you get banned.
[00:49:21] Speaker B: Yeah, well, and that's why streaming can be cathartic. Because then like whoever's watching me, even if it's only one or two people, they hear me venting, they can commiserate, maybe they'll share some input.
It helps me just I've said my piece to someone, it's now exited me. I can move on.
And not everyone works that way, but that is how I work. That's one of the reasons I started streaming.
[00:49:50] Speaker C: But yeah, no putting no, no words in chat guys like, sorry, like there are standards to this community.
[00:49:56] Speaker B: Like, no, in all seriousness, don't even vent in a like community standards appropriate way.
It doesn't help you win games. It guarantees your teammates will also tilt and you will lose more games.
[00:50:10] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:50:11] Speaker B: Even if you're not saying anything that will get you in trouble with Riot. Yeah.
So just don't do it.
Alright, we got a couple more questions.
Do you have any tips to manage expectations for your performance and rank? I understand I'm ass at the game and that's totally fine because I just play for fun, but I'm pretty competitive and league is so different from anything else I've ever played and obviously has a huge learning curve. And I have a hard time not being a little down on myself for being Iron 4.
I was playing ranked pretty consistently at the end of last season and I found ranked to be way harder and way more toxic than normal games even at the very bottom of the ladder. So I've hardly played ranked so far this season. Do you have any tips for ranked anxiety so I can get back at it?
Yeah.
And I mean this honestly, this is not a dig against you for your rank.
If you are iron four or just generally an iron level player, don't play ranked, play norms, get better and then once you are better, return to ranked.
The reason is because the ranked games at that ELO are so toxic and so shit, you're not gonna learn very much and you're gonna be tilted by people's behavior, not their play, their behavior.
Norms are less ragey.
It still happens, but less so you will have a better time and therefore be able to focus more on trying to get better and then once you are better, you'll return and you'll Just stomp those iron games because you are massively better than everyone else who's been beating their head against that ranked cesspool.
[00:51:48] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:51:48] Speaker A: So here's, here's a little bit of an interesting point.
About 50% of the player base is between bronze and iron.
[00:51:57] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:51:57] Speaker A: Like that, that thing. And 50% of the player base is a massive skill disparity. You know, that's all shoved into two sets of ranks, bronze and iron. And it's more slated towards iron now than it was before. Bronze is actually a harder rank to get into than it was.
So you have probably 40% of the player base is in iron.
There is such a large skill gap there.
[00:52:24] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:52:25] Speaker A: You've only been playing for eight months. Who knows where you are on that line?
And this is, again, we're not digging at you. This is, this is what we're here for. Since you don't know where you are, norms are a great way to learn. And if you want to just, if you have time, join us, we'll be happy to give you pointers. These are the things you need to work on. These are the things you need to get better at. These are where you need to focus to try and climb.
And you can do a lot of that. And you can affect most of that in norms, especially with the toxicity.
I don't deal with it alone because I can't do it. I don't like solo ranked, so I play ranked with other people and it feels way better.
[00:53:16] Speaker C: So for managing expectations, I'm with everybody else on the. Oh, dude. Eight months, yo. Like you are not going to be playing platform after eight months. I'm sorry. This video game, there are, there are 170 champions, yo. Like, are you really telling me from.
[00:53:32] Speaker A: FPS this is not the same genre at all?
Everything is different. So you don't even have a basis with which to transfer your skills over.
[00:53:40] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. It's a transference thing.
And that's the main thing. Right. Is like understanding what all the champion kits do.
And there are a lot of them. Right. There's a ton of variants in our games.
So I agree with everyone else. I don't.
Iron 4 has its own goddamn fucking meta. It is, it is shit, man. It is shit down there. And I've been there recently, whereas these other two, dude, they have not crawled out of iron recently. It fucking blows.
[00:54:16] Speaker A: So I have a new way of doing this for you.
Don't put your expectation on a win.
[00:54:24] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:54:24] Speaker A: Go into a game with a singular goal. My goal in this game is to hit 7Cs a minute.
My goal in this game is to end the lane even or win my lane.
Those are the ways that you change your expectations.
Early on. You're not, your goal is you still want to win. Obviously the overall goal is to win, but that is not the key thing you're doing.
Your key thing is you're still, you're still learning. You've got a lot to learn if you've only been here for about eight months.
So you have a specific thing. I need to figure out some part of this.
So that should be your goal for that game.
[00:55:07] Speaker C: So the. Because I see that you're an adc and you know, again, if this might not be as applicable in the other roles, right.
I would say for managing your expectation, it is the easiest way of. Do you have more than 15Cs than your opponent at any given like 10 minute, 20 minute, 30 minute mark?
Because that's the first thing is the differential, right? Like 15 more CS than your opponent.
Once you've kind of like, nah, dude, I consistently over 20 games, like 18 of them. I, I had a 15Cs differential on, on my opponent.
After you've done that, right, Then we trying to like, okay, can we, can we hit 6Cs a minute? Can we do 7Cs a minute, right? Like somewhere in there and you know, like, figure out what's right for you.
I would say if you were gonna go with like, like, my goal is to win lane or something like that, because bot. Lane's hard because you got, got more people in it, right? You're shoving four people in a lane.
I would say, do you know, can you, speaking to yourself, say we should win this lane. And then when you actually play the lane out, are you actually following your knowledge of. No. We have a Lucian Nami. We should crush them. Our synergy in this lane is incredible and we should fucking ROFL stomp them. Now of course, you could always get a NAMI that just is not aware that Q is a thing, right? Like, sure, but like, you should know your expectations and what actually plays out. And see like, like, generally it's, it's, it's playing out the way that it should, right?
And for ranked anxiety, I, so I have immense ranked anxiety. So like I said, there are times where I just like, like, you know, just give up and let rank anxiety rule my life.
I would say that, that there is something to be said for facing your anxiety and making that your own goal of like, no, I'm going to learn how to play scared.
Like, seriously learn how to Play League of Legends scared.
Learning how to emotionally regulate is actually like a weird, weird reason why I play this game.
Because, like, dude, there are frustrating things. There are some terrifying things. Like, it's never boring usually. I mean, there's a couple boring parts, but generally speaking, it's intense. It's an intense moment in life, right? And it's helped me to be able to come down of like, okay, I. I am running a 15 on ragemit right now. I need to get to an 8 and I just need. Okay, we're just, we're going to center back down to eight and we're going to deal with this, right? And that's something League can actually give you in a controlled environment.
It's kind of nice, but so. So other, other than getting into a really like, terrifyingly weird nerdy hobby of like learning how to emotionally regulate, I don't know.
Yeah, like, I, yeah, I do think that the running from it doesn't. It works in the short term. There are times where you're just like, yeah, I just don't want to. I'm just so scared. I'm so scared for my rp. Like, I finally got to iron three. I don't want to like drop down.
[00:58:45] Speaker B: All right, before we move on to the last question, I want to read an excerpt from possibly the most famous written guide for any MOBA that has ever been written.
If you have not heard of this, this guide is entitled welcome to Dota. You suck.
In this guide it says, and I am going to directly quote here, how to survive public games and learning Dota with emotions attacked as a noob.
You are going to feed. You are going to ruin games and someone is going to be happy to tell you why.
Dota was originally played in Warcraft 3. They had the most bad mannered, whining assholes. On the gaming Internet, the only thing that comes close is Xbox Live.
Luckily, I'm gonna paraphrase here with League of Legends, Riot has been making some really great strides to create a better environment for all players involved. The people playing the game are better than they used to be. But you are still playing a team game that requires your allies to not be idiots. For you to succeed, there will always be some levels of disappointment and frustration between your allies and you. My number one tip to playing is that if someone flames you or is freaking out about your play in an overly critical way, press the mute button on them immediately and then enjoy the rest of the game from your peaceful but mysteriously quiet ally. Ignoring them doesn't work. Let Them say one mean thing and let that be it. Your day will be much better this way, I promise.
Oh, it's true in Dota. It's true in Lee.
[01:00:23] Speaker C: Yep.
[01:00:23] Speaker B: Just mute the assholes. It's not worth seeing what shit they have to say because there is nothing they have to say that is worth reading.
[01:00:32] Speaker C: Oh, there.
[01:00:32] Speaker A: If you are having a primarily toxic experience, your goal should be mute all.
[01:00:38] Speaker C: Yep.
[01:00:38] Speaker B: Yep.
And there is no shame in turning off chat.
[01:00:43] Speaker C: Yep. On. On that note, like, just so everybody is aware, I have not actually heard any, like, chat messages from. From my teammates in the last, like, year, two years, I think. So what I do is something specific. I go in. So I'm in. In lobby, right. Like a champ select.
I will go in and mute them there because that way I don't get chat messages either. Because people. People are toxic from the fair. From the literal second of getting in lobby. And like. I don't need that, bro. I don't need that.
[01:01:17] Speaker B: Be honest. Be honest. How many times have you accidentally muted me and Mike?
[01:01:21] Speaker C: I have muted you multiple times. What are you talking about? I mute you every single day.
It is. It is a Pavlovian thing. The second I get in, I just mute. Like, nah. No, I'm not. I'm not.
[01:01:32] Speaker B: Fine. I'm not offended.
[01:01:34] Speaker C: Like, I mean, you can in fact type evil things to me. I would have no idea.
[01:01:41] Speaker A: I want to test it.
[01:01:42] Speaker C: I know. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now we have to.
Megan, do you have your chat off?
[01:01:50] Speaker B: Oh, well, all right. Let's do the last question that Toast wrote in. Cause I think it's fun. Cause I'm a big fan of esports, which is, do you think watching esports can hurt your perception, learning of the game as a noob?
And Mike and I, I think, differ a lot on our opinions on this. This.
[01:02:09] Speaker A: I. I did a brief answer to this one when. When you said it, and it was a.
It's not going to hurt your overall perception because they're going to try to win the game.
[01:02:24] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:02:25] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:02:25] Speaker A: But what it will do is it will give you a very skewed idea of what is good.
What you, as a new player are doing. If you're watching, should be watch what they're doing with champions. Watch how they're doing skills, Watch how they're doing movements. Watch how they're doing team fights, especially some of the greatest and most intricate things you will ever see. You will never see cooler moments than you will in professional league.
Oh, my God. Some of the most hype. Things I have ever watched have happened in league games.
Absolute magic that I did not know you could do.
[01:03:12] Speaker B: I still at least once a year learn a mechanical thing. I did not know before from esports and I have.
[01:03:19] Speaker A: But what you should not do more.
[01:03:21] Speaker B: Or less non stop since 2009 the.
[01:03:24] Speaker A: Difference is don't copy them because you can't. You don't play the same environment, you don't play the same objective game, you don't play the same world of meta that they do because meta is a hyper important factor in their game. It shouldn't matter at all for you.
Builds are exclusive to their existence.
Don't take what they do in a pro game scene as what you should be doing in your solo queue.
[01:04:05] Speaker B: To be clear, this is so extreme.
The same player playing the same champion on stage in a pro game and in his own solo queue games will play his champion differently. Will build his champion differently. Because pro is even different than challenger Elo solo queue by a massive, massive amount, let alone solo queue for the rest of us.
[01:04:30] Speaker C: Yeah, and.
[01:04:31] Speaker A: And I, I think, I think actually Jax, you and I should go through and find some of the best plays we have seen that can teach you mechanics.
Like this is something I did not know existed until I saw it in this thing and just put them in our clips link.
[01:04:52] Speaker B: I mean that sounds like work. So I'm not going to do that.
[01:04:56] Speaker A: I don't want to do it because it's work. But like there are some things that I found so hype that I would like. I want to go see that again now. I think I'm. I'm going to probably go look at some things now and take those clips and put them in the clip things because we've reminded me of them.
One of which is.
[01:05:15] Speaker B: Oh, how about when something in esports teaches me a new hype thing, I will post a clip of it in the clips channel in the discord. That's listeners you should join the discord. That should be good link is in.
[01:05:28] Speaker A: The episode description and this is. This is so. Oh, go ahead.
[01:05:32] Speaker C: So, so the one thing I wanted to say and I am basically taking your stuff into like a smaller. The. The advantages of watching esports is that you can see how far you can go. Right. The disadvantage is that your expectations are kind of like can get skewed of like expecting like organized play. Right.
[01:05:57] Speaker A: People you are playing with will not be able to do the same thing.
[01:06:00] Speaker C: Yeah, they're just not gonna be able to.
[01:06:01] Speaker A: These are the things that you can learn about a Champion. I did not know that you could go underneath the wall with the boundaries of the map with Kane and Smolder until it was shown on there. I didn't know that function existed. And then suddenly like, oh, you can dodge underneath the map.
[01:06:21] Speaker C: Yep.
So my one thing. So I don't actually watch a lot of esports. I do however, watch really high level play on the champion. I play. So like I watch the top varus in the world. He's got like 10, 10 million mastery. He. I don't think he's challenger right now. I think he's gm. But I, I watch him because again like it, it helps me understand how far Varys can go. Right. But not like gleaning into. Into that. That expectations of like people will play around me the same way that they do in his games. So I don't know. Don't know if that's helpful.
[01:07:06] Speaker A: I mean of course if you didn't watch pro we would not find out amazing strategies like taking Lucian into the top lane.
[01:07:16] Speaker C: Yeah, it's true.
[01:07:18] Speaker B: We've been meming on it.
[01:07:19] Speaker A: That's where we need to know.
[01:07:21] Speaker B: We've been memeing on it since what, 2016, 2017.
[01:07:24] Speaker A: When who 2016 or 2017. One of the two.
[01:07:26] Speaker B: Lucian top for listeners who don't know. That's why we meme about Lucian Top at the end of every episode. It's because of Huni in the lcs.
I think it was against tsm.
[01:07:38] Speaker A: It was against tsm.
They were the first ranked team and TSM was sixth and they lost that series almost entirely because Huni Top won the lane Hardcore and then immediately lost them. Every team fight.
[01:07:54] Speaker B: Yep.
That's why we meme so much about it. Because he did smash the actual laning phase.
[01:08:02] Speaker A: It is one of those things where solo queue versus the game they're playing. He won solo queues so hard that they went no, yeah, this is the right strategy. And they did it three games in a row and they lost three. Zero.
[01:08:18] Speaker B: Two of the three.
[01:08:19] Speaker A: Two of the three.
[01:08:20] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:08:20] Speaker A: They lost so hard to the last place team that could get into playoffs as the first place because of this. Because of the difference between solo queue versus pro and they didn't respect it.
[01:08:40] Speaker B: All right with that. If you do care about esports, by the way, MSI is going to be starting up in like two weeks. I'm really excited because I am going there to watch the group stage in about three weeks.
[01:08:54] Speaker A: MSI is some of the best teams from around the world. It is pretty much the best teams from around the world playing two from every major region playing a grand tournament and it will be amazing. You will see some of the coolest shit you will ever see.
Join us sure there will be some.
[01:09:12] Speaker B: Watch parties in our discord the watch party.
[01:09:13] Speaker A: We will generally speaking try and watch them if we can.
[01:09:18] Speaker B: If people are I will be gone for the week that I am physically there.
There should be watch party to a.
[01:09:24] Speaker C: Watch party may maybe I should go but I only do it if there's a ton of listeners show up though. So you know.
[01:09:31] Speaker B: So there you go listeners. Come join us. Watch esports. It's fun with that. I've been Jack Zoman for Mic of many names for Codex Ninja. Have a great night.
[01:09:43] Speaker A: Good night everybody.
[01:09:44] Speaker C: Bye.
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