The Four Wards Podcast - Episode 478: Teemo, How Do My Nuts Taqweqweqeqweqeqweqw?

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome to the Four Wards podcast. Hey, what's up? [00:00:08] Speaker B: It's Eric Bra, voice of Draven, Jerks and Velcas. And you're listening to the Four Wards podcast here to help you move forward in league. Hello and welcome to episode 478 of the Four Wards podcast. I'm your host as usual. I'm Jack Soman and I've got with me two other wards to help you move forward in League of Legends. We've got Mike of many names. [00:00:50] Speaker A: I'm mostly recovered now. We'll see how that works. [00:00:54] Speaker B: Glad to hear it. We've also got Codex Ninja. [00:00:57] Speaker C: I am fully recovered, totally into it. [00:01:02] Speaker B: Were were you not recovered before? [00:01:05] Speaker C: Well, I don't know. Like if he's mostly recovered, I'm gonna be fully recovered. I'm gonna be way more recovered. [00:01:11] Speaker B: Gotcha. Competitive stuff. Okay, understood guys. We're the Four Words podcast. We're a little goofy tonight. Cause as you can tell, it's just the three of us. Everyone else is busy dealing with apartment emergencies or work. But we're still here to bring you the tips and tricks you need to move forward in League of Legends. We're going to start out with a shout out to Codex, Ninja, Pillow Pet and Robegon for supporting us on Patreon at the shoutout tier. Thank you so much. It keeps the show on the Internet. If you want to support the podcast, head over to patreon.com theforwardspodcast and come support us. $1 a month just tells us that you love us. $5 a month gets you an exclusive feed of some behind the scenes audio of our prep work or whatever bullshit we decide to chit chat about before each show. And $10 a month will get you that exclusive feed and we'll shout you out at the top of the episodes like we do for Codex Ninja, Pillipet and Robegon. Some of us do stream on Twitch. I can be found at Twitch TV jacksonman, where it's still super Metroid about twice a week and League whenever I feel like it's. And Mike can be found at Twitch TV mikeofmanynames, where you should join the discord and bully him into streaming more. [00:02:25] Speaker A: Hey. Hey. We're finally up to the point where I'm feeling like I can do a stream. So we'll probably be doing something, something fun soon. [00:02:37] Speaker B: I'm apparently gonna be playing Aram with the Furries on stream on like Tuesday or something. So you're welcome to join us for that. [00:02:44] Speaker A: Huh? We'll see. [00:02:47] Speaker B: We'll see what happens. Last but not least, listeners you guys actually wrote in this week. Thank you. Seriously. We got three new listener questions written in. I appreciate it, but that doesn't mean you can stop. We need more questions. Write into the 4wards podcastmail.com with your questions so we can answer them on the show. And with that, guys, when we brought Codex Ninja onto this podcast, we jokingly said that as the newbie, she has to come up with the topic for our first non patch week episode. She apparently took us seriously because she's prepared a whole document with bullet points for a topic for tonight. So I'm gonna hand it off to CodexNinja to take it away and explain what we're gonna be talking about for the next 30 to 45 minutes. [00:03:40] Speaker C: Yeah, well, I don't know if it's gonna be that long. We'll see. We'll see. I feel like it's a good. [00:03:45] Speaker B: It's us. I guarantee it will be that long whether or not we want it to be. [00:03:50] Speaker C: All right, so like, you know, like per the hazing ritual, which I decided to take super serious, you know, I had to come up with a topic and something that was kind of on my mind as I played my League of Legends and you know, as I wander on the Rift. And the one thing that I've kind of been thinking about has been how do you communicate with your team for your rank and your role? And how does communication kind of like change a little bit based on those things? Like, if a play is obviously bad, obviously ping them off. That's like, no duh. But like, what about like communication style? So I'm an adc. I only play ADC now. I've been a support. So, you know, I do have some other role understanding. But the biggest thing I feel with ADCs is that you shouldn't ping early. Generally, if you're under two items, you should not be pinging a ton. Like, do the obvious stuff. Like, hey, like, nah, there's four of them on Drake right now. Go get grubs. Like really obvious stuff. But don't over ping. We're talking like two pings for like danger ping and then help ping next to grubs. Like two pings. [00:05:13] Speaker B: I have a question about danger ping. Do you use the, like, I forget if it's control or alt or whatever ping that's like caution and it flashes yellow. Or do you like, do the, like bring up the ping bar and like scroll your mouse up red warning ping. [00:05:31] Speaker C: So I do the little wheel thing so if I just click. So it's currently bound to S the S key on my keyboard. If I just hit S really fast, it just does caution. Like the little. The yellow ping that's just eee, right? Yes. I use caution pings usually for just like a, hey, hey, be careful. Like a really short. For example, I'll be backing and my support decides to stay. All I'm doing is just like, hey, bro, I'm leaving. Like, so just like caution ping, right? I do. I very, very seldom do caution ping with the red. Like, I don't almost ever do that. The only exception, the only exception where I will actually danger ping to someone is if I am not showing up to that play. For example, there are four of them on Dragon and they just kill their mid laner. I. I am not going to that play. Not doing it, guys. Because we are not. We are not one man dead. We are two men down. And like, whatever circumstances, if I'm low on health, if I have my stuff, if I have my ult, like all of those like factors, like, I am not showing up to that play because that is a 2% play, not. Not an 80% play. Right? So yeah, that's how I use the caution ping. [00:06:47] Speaker B: I ask because I basically never use the yellow warning ping. I always do the red warning ping. And I use it pretty much exclusively for danger. Enemy is here in fog of war, what I like to do, I play mid a lot. But whether I'm playing mid or jungle, if I see that someone is roaming, I will ping. The route I think they took in caution pings. So like, you get six pings. I'll ping like one in the river and then one behind Dragon and then one in their tribush and then three directly on top of their heads. So this is where I think he's coming from. You are in danger. [00:07:30] Speaker C: One thing that's really cool about getting Honor five is that you get eight pings. So which is just like, wow, we got eight pings now. [00:07:40] Speaker B: God, I forgot about that change. [00:07:42] Speaker C: I'm just letting you know that is like, my goal is to get eight pings. I think I actually already have it. But. But like, oh, it is epic. It is epic. Let me tell you. To be able to. [00:07:55] Speaker B: I'm currently Honor four. I just forgot that they changed the ping limits based on your honor. I forgot that was a thing entirely. Even though we literally talked about it when it happened. [00:08:03] Speaker C: Yep, yep. So I don't know. That is interesting. So one of the things that I was gonna bring up, like you know, as I scroll down in my awesome spreadsheet and bullet points the whole presentation. Because, like, you talk about, like, you. You caution ping in a line, right? [00:08:21] Speaker B: Yes. [00:08:21] Speaker C: People do not see individual pings. Like, usually I. I will say when I like caution ping Dragon help ping grubs. I think they see it. [00:08:32] Speaker B: Maybe that's why I ping so many. [00:08:36] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:08:38] Speaker B: And specifically, like, I'm pinging an area and then pinging directly on their heads repeatedly. [00:08:44] Speaker C: But I completely agree with you where you need to ping in a line because people will see lines, right? I admit I use caution ping because it's just faster for me because, like, I don't have to do the pull up to do caution. I can just press like S and then just ping S as like, basically it's like. So I see the two bot laners roaming, roaming either to drag or mid right. Caution ping 1, 2, 3, upriver. Like there is a roam going on. I don't know where they are. Good luck. Mid laner, right? Like, yeah, ping in a line because people can actually see lines. [00:09:19] Speaker B: Oh, you literally had ping in a line in your document. [00:09:21] Speaker C: Yep. Nope. It is literally ping in a line. [00:09:24] Speaker B: So listeners, listeners, I had not read that. This is just what I do. We're on the same page on this. [00:09:31] Speaker C: Ping and a line. [00:09:31] Speaker B: Ping and a line. Ping and a line. She's right. She's 100% right. [00:09:35] Speaker C: Yeah. So there is one specific instance where ping and a line actually gets really interesting. So, okay, you got. You're all engaged in like a siege, right? All of a sudden, it makes kind of sense to go and do Dragon, right? Or, like, set up. Like, it's time to like, move away from sieging and to, like, leave. What you need to do is start pinging what I call retreat lines. So, like, I'm pinging, I am go, going away, like on my way in a line towards the Dragon, right? Another thing that is also really good for ping in a line is okay, your team is sieging. You're in base, coming out to an objective like Dragon or Baron, right? Ping in a line. Go, go, go towards the, like, Everybody start funneling towards Baron. Everybody starts funneling towards Baron. And then sometimes, I'm not saying it's 100%, but like 40 to 50% of the time, they will start wandering towards Baron because the call has been made, right? So, like, this is about, like, influencing and kind of nudging their. Their eyeballs towards. It is time to do Baron. It is time to do Dragon, which as an ADC is really, really important because like I don't actually care about the objectives. That's not my job. My job is to fight around the objectives and my, my job is to kill people around the objectives. But if we're just kind of like hanging out, sieging, like is that usually a lot I can do? I can hit the tower and hopefully not get caught out, but yeah. [00:11:06] Speaker B: So the pinging on the ways reminds me of something that I initially did and then realized this is the wrong way to ping and have now changed it. If you are roaming to or ganking a lane, do not ping on my way directly on the lane you are coming to before you're ready to arrive. Because they will see on my way. [00:11:29] Speaker C: Right, okay. [00:11:30] Speaker B: Because they will see on my way in their lane and just immediately start fighting and you're not there yet. And then they lose. [00:11:36] Speaker A: Uh huh. [00:11:37] Speaker B: But, but what you can do and what I've taken to doing because I did that initially and saw negative effects of it. Ping the route you're going to take to their lane. So if you're going to swing, let's say you're going to bot lane and you're gonna swing by red's blue buff, red side's blue buff. And then down through the tri bush and into the lane. Ping a ping at that entrance to the jungle. Ping a ping over by the tri bush. Then ping a ping on my way into the lane. They'll understand. Oh, they're taking. Well, hopefully they'll understand. They're taking this swooping route. They're on their way, but they are not here yet. And that's what you need to actually be able to communicate with that. Because if you just ping on my way, they're not looking at the map. They assume that means you're here and then they die and then you show up and the play is a fail. [00:12:32] Speaker C: Yeah. Yep. Because they jump the gun. Yep. [00:12:35] Speaker B: So that's what I learned with On My way pings is you have to ping your route so that they understand this means I'm coming. This does not mean I'm here yet. [00:12:44] Speaker A: So you guys use pings significantly differently than I do. Oh, I don't use many pings much at all. Mostly I play mostly jungle, so I tend to have a tiny bit more free time to actually type what I want. [00:13:05] Speaker B: You also tend not to play solo. I also don't, which also does change behavior. [00:13:11] Speaker A: So I always have one person I can talk to and I talk to them. And if I'm trying to convey anything Else to other people. As a jungler, half the time I will type it out and then I will give one or two pings. The thing that I ping most is vision. [00:13:32] Speaker C: Like there's vision there. [00:13:34] Speaker A: I ping, I've seen vision. I ping. I need vision or I ping. Going to this objective. I almost never ping. I'm coming to a lane because either it's misconstrued or they go too quickly like you were talking about, or they don't pay attention anyways and it doesn't matter. So if I. If I do something, I will type it out. [00:14:02] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:14:04] Speaker A: But having, having the time, like I have the time in between running to a lane to type in be there in 10. [00:14:14] Speaker C: I will say one disadvantage of that is that, dude, I have chat, like muted. And I would say that that's probably not like the standard, but like, I would say that most Junglers and most ADCs have it muted. [00:14:28] Speaker A: A lot of people mute, Mute chat. So this is not something that everyone can do because a lot of people just. We would have advocated for it, just mute chat. [00:14:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:37] Speaker A: But I watch for people being toxic in chat, people being. Being bad in chat. And then I will actively look at times to do chatting. [00:14:46] Speaker C: Okay. [00:14:46] Speaker A: Because I spend more of my time looking at things around than I do actually pinging at things. [00:14:55] Speaker B: There is another risk to doing this. The way you do it. And I've seen this happen to you before, I know this is a real risk, not just me. Shit up. When you are typing, you cannot input commands to actually control your character. If, for example, you get jumped on the way to where you're trying to communicate that you're going, where's that picture. [00:15:15] Speaker A: That you posted the other day? [00:15:18] Speaker B: Hey, Timo, how do my nuts taste? [00:15:24] Speaker A: That has been me a couple of times. [00:15:26] Speaker C: Nope, A couple times. And it's just part of it. And like, I don't even think necessarily, like, I mean, like, it's the cost that you've accepted. Right. For the way that you communicate. Right. [00:15:38] Speaker B: And it has to be the episode title now, doesn't it? [00:15:42] Speaker A: Pretty much it does, yeah. I have accepted this because I have found that pings aggravate people more than they help. 90% of the time when I see pings, it's question mark, question mark, question mark. People don't pay attention to pings anymore if you do that. Like. Cause 90% of the time I see pings as someone is around. So I stopped paying attention to most pings until they are minimally used. Minimal usage of pings is where it becomes really effective. And so I pretty much only do I think vision, I think an objective. I'm going to I ping danger if things are like, I know this is coming. Danger, danger, danger. [00:16:26] Speaker B: The question mark ping is the most hostile ping in the game and should basically never be used. [00:16:34] Speaker C: Okay, so here's where I. I use it correctly in my opinion. So I do use the question mark ping incorrectly. The. The way that that all El Classico league players missing ping their supports because oh my God, it is always the sports fault. I'm an edc, so if I'm using it correctly, I. It is now time to do Dragon. [00:16:59] Speaker B: For. [00:16:59] Speaker C: For like the game state states like it is time to do Dragon. We're moving. Everyone's coming out of base. We're going to the Dragon. Everyone's going except for one person. The jungler. The jungler is doing his top camps. And I will missing ping him once for that. Because it's like that eyebrow like really, really amumu. You just gotta do your Krugs right now. Like, you just gotta like. You deserve a single missing ping for doing your Krugs. When Dragon is like, it is time. [00:17:34] Speaker B: Now here's the fun part. Let me share with you the one and only way to use the missing ping appropriately. Cause it's not that. [00:17:42] Speaker C: Okay. [00:17:43] Speaker B: When a teammate makes an insane fucking outplay like wins a 1v3, does something truly like highlight reel crazy and there's no fighting anymore because they've just killed everyone. Question ping them immediately and then type in chat. That was fucking nuts. You're a God. Or something like that. [00:18:08] Speaker C: Use it positively. Okay? [00:18:10] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. Because then the question ping clearly is indicating to them, especially given like they just did something amazing, like you are in awe of them. It is a. What the fuck was that? It is a. They now are the hero of the game. And everyone who plays this game has an ego the size of fucking Jupiter. And being told by someone else unprompted that they're the fucking hero is gonna really boost their morale. [00:18:40] Speaker A: Is there a specific missing ping? [00:18:43] Speaker B: Yeah, it's the question mark. [00:18:45] Speaker C: Yeah, it's the question mark. [00:18:45] Speaker A: That is the question mark we're talking about. That is the other way to technically use it. Use it above yourself. I don't know where they went question mark. [00:18:53] Speaker C: So I actually do not use it for that. Because, people, the context in which it is used is not that anymore. Like it's. Oh, there's some word. Like it now means something else. [00:19:08] Speaker B: I mean, like, it's the connotation as opposed to the dictionary definition. [00:19:13] Speaker C: Yep, yep. [00:19:15] Speaker A: It's been subverted. [00:19:17] Speaker C: It has been subverted in my opinion. Also, if you listen to the actual sound of the missing ping, it's really soft. It's easy to miss. It is super easy to miss. So, like, why you just use caution? Because caution is. Is clear. Caution in. Again, I do it in three lines. Like, 1, 2, 3, up river. [00:19:42] Speaker B: So what I do when I'm trying to signal that an enemy is missing is I ping warning on my own lane like twice to draw attention. And then I ping it on the other lanes or I ping it on the jungler if I think the jungler is getting invaded. Because that usually tells them, oh, danger. What's happening? Oh, the mid laner is pinging danger on himself. Oh, now he's pinging danger on me. Oh, I'm about to get jumped by his opponent like that. That's the way I do that. Because you're right. They don't pay attention to the missing pings. They're filtering it out mentally because it's used to be toxic so often and the sound just doesn't draw that much attention to begin with. [00:20:25] Speaker C: So I know that. That we. We don't track jungles as easily now because we don't leash anymore. But, like, I am curious. Have you ever, like, pinged like, his path? Like, he's. He's either on red or Krugs? [00:20:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:40] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:20:41] Speaker A: Like, if you are certain of a thing, especially if you've done like a. An invade and you're like, I've taken this ping this side. He's only got one spot. He can go. He's going here. [00:20:53] Speaker B: Yep. [00:20:54] Speaker C: Okay. Or even just a lot of times I'm warding. I've never seen. I've never seen a jungle, like, which would really help. Honest to goodness, like, just like. Yep. He's doing his Krugs. He's doing. His Krugs are red. Like, I'm. [00:21:09] Speaker B: I'm usually warding one of the enemy junglers. Starting points before a game begins. If I can narrow down where I know the enemy has probably started. I'm just pinging whichever lane is in danger. By the time I'm at like, camp number five, I'm just like, you're in danger because he started here and you're at the end of his clear. Basically as a lion pinging danger. If you. [00:21:32] Speaker C: Okay, so let's say he's pathing bot, right? And he is either on his blue or his grom. Right. If you caution ping the camps I know what you mean. Like, he's right. [00:21:43] Speaker B: And I'm usually pinging like, the jungle, not on the lane. [00:21:46] Speaker C: So I wouldn't worry about the camps. [00:21:48] Speaker B: But like, I. [00:21:48] Speaker C: As a bot laner, we'll actually see that versus, like a random, like, caution or a, like, I don't know if I'd see it from, like, randomly. [00:21:56] Speaker B: I'm pinging like your Tribush. [00:21:58] Speaker C: Okay. [00:21:59] Speaker B: Oh, I'm pinging like, where is the danger likely to be coming from? [00:22:03] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah. [00:22:07] Speaker A: So I don't do much of. This is a point. Mostly because I think pings are heavily overused. Heavily overused. And they're used mostly inappropriately. Ping, ping, ping. Do things. And so you. You lose what a ping means. This is. This is what I need to use. This is where my communication comes from. I don't use them a ton because they are overused and frequently miss thought of this is a personal thing, not a thing you should be doing all the time. But, like, I should do some. A little bit more. But a lot of the time it is misconstrued. And so I have lowered my ping usage by a lot. [00:22:53] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah. And so on the topic of overpinging, because I definitely am on that side of the spectrum is the overpinger. Like, I don't think I am truly, like, like, awful over, but, like, I'm leaning that side. Right. [00:23:11] Speaker A: Do you hit the ping stop? [00:23:14] Speaker C: I do when I ape ping. Because there are some times when y'all motherfuckers need to push a tower and you. They get. They get angry mama adc when, like, dude, I killed four of them. There is like, no one left. Please push a goddamn tower. And that's when I aping you. And I know that, that, that's like. But like, sometimes I just get frustrated and I ate ping. Please, dear God, push a tower. [00:23:44] Speaker B: Especially when It's. You killed four of them and lived. But you have 200 hp and their only surviving member is a zed. You can't be part of that push. [00:23:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Also another thing. Like, you have to realize that it is 40 minutes in the game when I ape ping, I never hit cap pre. 35 minutes into the game, I have to have three or four items before I aping you. Because I am the carry at that point. I am the win condition. So, like, I will ape ping when I am in control and the deciding factor whether or not we're going to win this. But, like, otherwise, like, there's no point, like, if I'm just a 08 Caitlyn, like, hell no, dude. I'm not gonna ping. I'm useless. I don't deserve to ping. Strong people and the people who are in control need to be do facility. That's actually kind of like. And again, I'm not criticizing you, Mike, but like jungle yo. [00:24:43] Speaker A: That is now the other point that I will do pings on, which is we're going here, we're doing this. [00:24:48] Speaker C: Right. [00:24:49] Speaker A: And that's only if the team needs to go do this. There are plenty of early game plays where it's me and maybe one person if they're going to it. But most of the early game is jungle do trades. Either or we do a little bit of a fight here. [00:25:03] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:25:04] Speaker A: So the early game things not so much. 3rd or 4th Dragon Baron, Otacon, sometimes rift herald. Mostly not because rift herald I don't think is that important. [00:25:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it matters if it's the deciding factor for feats and you can grab it without a fight. Yeah, that's basically when rift herald. [00:25:24] Speaker A: If we're trying to deny certain things, I will start doing pings then. Like we need to do this. But half of the time I will also just type because I think typing gives the message more concisely if they've definitely been able to read. Especially if I've already seen people typing because that means I'm pretty sure they're open. [00:25:43] Speaker B: Yeah, that is an important distinction. Is you've seen them typing means, you know, they can probably see you typing. And also Mike, how fast do you type? [00:25:52] Speaker A: Okay, I typed fairly quickly. [00:25:55] Speaker B: I was gonna say I know I'm around 100 plus words per minute. [00:26:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I think we're able to type. [00:26:03] Speaker C: Do you type full sentences? It's not just give drag. [00:26:07] Speaker A: Here's things I'll do. I will type like going bot and 10 at 10. Or like I'll give it the time roughly. Or in 30 seconds, if I can see the time, I'll say like do this at blank or I'll say coming in 30. So I'll do my 30 seconds. Or, or I don't use punctuation or capitalization. That goes out the window. [00:26:30] Speaker C: Okay, but, but, but like if I'm 30, like going button 30. Okay. [00:26:35] Speaker A: If. If I need to convey a message, I'll do the short point. If I need to talk to someone, that's when I start talking in real sentences. And that happens a lot more than I want it to. [00:26:49] Speaker C: So I am curious. So I don't do this very often because jungles, junglers get pinged way too much. Like they get asked for everything. Like, you know, I am an adc. I asked for nothing. Every once in a while, I'm strong, I'm freezing my lane. The opponents can't really do much and I want, I want to gank because I want to take them out so we can do drain. So I, I help Ping over their head while they're doing their gromp. And I, I, I fight Ping on my lane. Is that too much? [00:27:21] Speaker A: That's polite. [00:27:23] Speaker C: Okay, so that's polite. [00:27:24] Speaker A: You haven't done much. You've gone, hey, hey, can I get a thing? [00:27:29] Speaker C: Can we do it? [00:27:31] Speaker A: I'll give a good example of something that was not well done because it was done in the last game Jax and I played together. We had a Draven something bot. Don't remember what the support was. And I was pretty much avoiding his lane. I'd gone down there twice. Didn't go well. Things had ended up very badly when I went down to do fights with them. So I'm mostly avoiding them and I'm dealing with the mid and the top lane. Mostly focusing on objectives. Mid and top. [00:28:02] Speaker B: Oh, was this your brand game? [00:28:04] Speaker A: Yes. Where we got the Urgot ahead. Yeah. Completely ignoring him basically from that point on because I can't fight and even fight at that stage. We need someone who's ahead or we need ambush. So when he's calling, dude, I need a gank. What are you doing? Which is basically what he was saying there. Come gank, it's fucking free. Or things like this. Like, no, it's not. Yeah, we've gone in there. You're losing your lane. I can't, I can't help you out of these situations. [00:28:38] Speaker C: Right. [00:28:38] Speaker A: We're dealing with Top. But none of that said. All I, all I will say in that is I can't do that. I can't win that. I'll do something in a much shorter form like that. Or I'm focusing on objectives or we're fighting up here. Like, there are other points where I will point out and like, I can't help you. You need to not do this anymore. [00:29:10] Speaker C: So I am curious. I used to be a support. [00:29:13] Speaker B: I was gonna say Mike, literally the game before you and I played that game, I played a game where my Draven ADC threw a tantrum that I wasn't ganking for him and literally said the line, keep ganking for Top. See how that works out for you. And by the time we finished the game and won, my top laner Ornn was 10, 0, 16 and did the third most damage on the team. [00:29:46] Speaker A: I'm sorry. It wasn't Draven. It was an enemy Draven. That's why we didn't defy. It was a jinx unbot. [00:29:52] Speaker C: Yep. And he's snowballing hard. [00:29:54] Speaker A: He's already got like but by the end of that game he has 10 kills. So I was like I can't help you man. We're going top lane. [00:30:02] Speaker C: We're going top lane. [00:30:04] Speaker A: You're a late game carry. I can't deal with this weird as system that they had going like because they, they switched lanes. They had people in different spots. They had an Elise support so like I, I can't and they're playing well. I need to deal with the people who are going to win us the game. Which like it hurt early on because the enemy Nocturne got 2 kills pre level 5 things were not going well. It looked like we were in a bad situation and then the Zed was wandering around like we can't control this. All we're doing is if there's a Zed going somewhere it's danger pings down the lane. [00:30:54] Speaker C: So I am curious because again you do type. I don't type anymore. I used to. One thing that happened I had so I was barred way back in like 2015 and I had a very obviously new player who was an ash and she was just getting dunked on by a duo. And it happens sometimes you just get massively skill gapped. [00:31:16] Speaker A: As long as you aren't raging in a chat, I will be more than happy to talk and figure things out. If you are raging at me, I will give you three or four words at most and then not talk. I'll still read it, I'll still look at it because I can, I can separate it and not have that affect me. [00:31:34] Speaker C: Yeah. So the reason why I bring it up though is that I as bard decided that I had to go and win this and I had to leave my ADC unfortunately in order to do that. And I just told her like, hey, give it everything you can to keep this tower alive as long as possible. Make them spend their ults, make them spend their sums, do all that stuff. And I was like, like walking because it was actually a long text and I said I will come back for you. And I just went out and I started ganking every single lane and I ended like 01:32. Like I fucking single handedly support won that game. [00:32:12] Speaker A: If you don't say this bot lane's fucked. I'm Leaving, like, if you don't actively negatively talk down to your lane, I'm okay with you talking and leaving. Say something. Say I'm leaving. [00:32:25] Speaker C: Right. But I guess as a jungler, like what I think as an option, give people hope. Like, hey, he's really big right now. I can't shut him down right now. I need to play for top. I will come for you soon. Like, give him something to like, like. Nah, I am not giving up on you. Hold your tower. [00:32:49] Speaker A: Everything depends. Yeah, everything depends on how they've acted, if they've been a dick, if they've. [00:32:54] Speaker C: Been a dick, full on raging. There's no hold. There's. I just think like, if you're actually going to type, try and type something that inspires hope that like, nah, I'm just gonna dig in. I'm gonna Alamo this shit. [00:33:06] Speaker A: You've, you've, you've hit on one of the best methods that we have found in how to actually talk. And that is once you see a good play happen, you fucking praise that shit. [00:33:19] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, you absolutely. [00:33:21] Speaker A: And you sit there and you go, oh, damn, nice play. Fuck yeah. You, you push into this, you feed into this and then you go, I'm going to ride the train on this. And you talk to the person that is doing well and like, hey, I'm going to ride the train on this. We're going to push this. [00:33:38] Speaker C: Yep. [00:33:39] Speaker A: If the other person makes a great outplay on their own, great. Then you praise them down. But I don't always give you hope. I'm coming. Because if I'm lying to you, that's not good. If I know I'm not going to help you out. I'm not going to tell you I'm coming. I'm going to tell you. Hold your own. We've got this still. We have like in this case, I looked at this and I go, we have way better scaling. We've way better scaling. We have someone who's tanky. We have a shutdown. We have really good teamfight potential. [00:34:13] Speaker C: Yeah. I still think though, ask them, make him spend Flash, I will come. If he spends Flash, I might. [00:34:24] Speaker A: So like, I'm not, I'm never going to give, I'm never going to give a promise I'm not going to keep. So like if, if he, I will come. If he spends Flash, I might. It depends on the situations because if they're, if their bot laner is also like again, 10 and 1, 10 and 2 and you spend Flash, sometimes it's still not worth it. He'll we'll one be three. So like the. The biggest thing that I will do. I'm not going to give you false hope. I'm going to tell you what we know, what we can do and where we can push it. So like, hey, we're not going to win the bot lane. Back off here. We're going to take on top. Hey, we're not having a good time in this situation. Just avoid this. We should be good. [00:35:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:08] Speaker A: If you're now begging me for your gangs and for your help, I'm going to tell you where you could get my help, which is, hey, if you want my help, we're doing these situations. This is where I will be. If you want my help, come here. You will get help. You will be able to help turn a tide. I'm not going to say it in that many words, of course, because that's too long to convey a message. But like, if someone is pinging, I need your help desperately. Half the time you. You can't help them. Yeah, they're in a situation that is no longer helpable. [00:35:44] Speaker B: So. [00:35:44] Speaker C: Which is another reason why I as a carry, dude, if I'm an 04 carry, no am I going to ping anyone for help. I am a useless 04 carry. [00:35:53] Speaker A: There have been games where I. When you are tried to do the bailout. Yeah, I've tried to do the bailout. It's failed. Avoid it again if. If it fails. Once that's done, we can't try it again. Your new job is to just pick up gold where you can concede where you can't. We'll find other places to win. Sometimes we can't. Sometimes we definitely can. [00:36:20] Speaker C: So again, going back to our bullet points, one thing that I do as a carry sometimes I do get. It's like doing brain surgery while flying a 747. Sometimes it gets kind of hot. I. If I do over ping someone because I get upset, I do not overping them for any play, no matter how stupid it is at all. I. I will. I will halt pings for like three minutes because like, I. I needed to have a tantrum. I had my tantrum and then I stopped pinging because like, hell nah. Because you. First of all. Another thing is it actually makes you angry too. So like, you can't feed into that anger. You have to say, nope, we are going to shut the shit down and we're gonna calm down. [00:37:07] Speaker B: I will say that is one of the reasons I like streaming when I play league because then I can just vent to my Chat about the stupid shit my teammates are doing. So I can still get the catharsis of the venting without having to actually ping the dumb fuck and all the stupid shit he's fucking doing. [00:37:28] Speaker C: Yep. [00:37:29] Speaker B: So I'm not gonna tilt my teammate. I'm just gonna get the catharsis out of being frustrated with dumb fucks. [00:37:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:36] Speaker B: And it's content, it's entertainment for my chat because they get to watch me be miserable having to deal with the dumbest people on the planet. [00:37:44] Speaker C: Yep. [00:37:45] Speaker A: Yeah, Jackson cursed. [00:37:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm very cursed. [00:37:49] Speaker C: Like it's so bad, it's. [00:37:52] Speaker A: It's impressive how cursed he is. Like the amount of times that I have seen what should be winnable games just thrown away because the people are the worst is insane. [00:38:06] Speaker B: Okay. I do have to share one other game I played the other day because it ties to communication. [00:38:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:14] Speaker B: In Champion Select R ad Carry proceeds to drop a line like, like, hey, do any of you all know how to talk to girls? And I'm like, this is why I. [00:38:28] Speaker C: Don'T have chat on anymore. Like, I'm too old for the shit, bitches. Like, fuck. [00:38:33] Speaker B: Now I'm remind you, I'm 39. So. So I literally, I'm like, okay, let's see what direction this goes. And I'm like, well, do you want the advice of a 39 year old married man? Dude immediately latches onto me, starts calling me unk. Like uncle. [00:38:58] Speaker C: Oh, okay. I was like, like, like ugly. Like, I was like, okay, okay, uncle. [00:39:03] Speaker B: Like uncle. And literally just is like, oh, I'm gonna ask this guy for advice. And I basically just told him, you know, girls are just people. Just talk to them like anyone else. And I was getting annoyed to my chat while I was streaming this because this guy kept saying things that I was like, okay, this guy is like reading incel sites. [00:39:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:32] Speaker B: But as far as I could tell, he wasn't actually indoctrinated yet because I was like slowly pushing him in the right direction of like. No, just like, be confident. Talk about whatever interests you. You'll meet people with similar interests. And some of those will be girls you make friends. And if you get to date one of them. [00:39:57] Speaker C: Cool. [00:39:58] Speaker B: Then the person you're dating is also your friend. This is all while we are playing the game I am jungling on Gwen. He is playing Twitch. He fed his ass off in the early game. So I did not gank for this guy. [00:40:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:17] Speaker B: But because we had built a rapport and I didn't start flaming him when he messed up, I was Just like, hey, try to play safer catch farm when you can. It's okay to give up farm. He didn't tilt, he kept talking to me. So even though he fed, like this dude died 15 times in this 44 minute game. It's a lot of deaths. But it was a long game. Even though he was dying because we were keeping a conversation going, he was engaged and he wasn't tilted. He didn't have the typical, especially common amongst teenagers mentality of oh, this game is lost. Fuck this. [00:40:58] Speaker C: Yeah, fuck. [00:41:00] Speaker A: His name is looking for Jim. Oh my God. [00:41:03] Speaker B: His name is looking for Jim. Girlfriend, I am not kidding. We eventually turned this game around and won. [00:41:11] Speaker C: Did he go to the gym? [00:41:13] Speaker B: Apparently. [00:41:14] Speaker C: Okay, as long as he goes to the gym. If he doesn't go to the gym, that's a problem. [00:41:19] Speaker B: Part of the whole discussion was he was talking about like, how do I get a girl to be interested in me? I can talk about my lifting, but usually they just leave if I try. Kind of, kind of discussion. And I had to be like, yeah, cuz you're probably coming across as a creep. Talk to them like people, not objects. But like it was a whole thing. This was like 10 minutes of 15 minutes of gameplay where anytime I'm just on a camp and I have nothing to do, I'm just literally giving this kid life advice. By the end of the game, he had 19 kills. Man, what else do I got to do with my life? Stole wisdom to the younger generation. Also, I literally have been doing this podcast for like seven or eight years now. Of course I like teaching people. So like, because he was receptive, he was listening, he wasn't just pushing back and repeating whatever nonsense he had been told. Yeah, I just kept engaging with him and it kept the morale up and kept the game from going south. When the Enemy had a sizable lead at one point. And again his lane personally was the one that fell apart. And we lasted long enough. Like Enemy got feats, it didn't matter. Eventually their nunu got tilted because he died in like three plays in a row and just gave up on the game. And so we won. So there is a power in chat if you can keep morale up by just literally holding conversations, talking to people about like when you see someone with a name that's a reference to an anime, you like talk to them about that anime. That kind of stuff can also help like keep people from tilting and losing the game on purpose. [00:43:07] Speaker A: One of the best ways to win the game is to have fun while you're doing it. And as long as you can get people to have fun with you, it doesn't matter. If things start going south, you're no longer mad at them because you've been having fun with them. There are plenty, there are plenty of times when you see something, something little, something hilarious, Fuck, man, your name's amazing. And then you'll start talking and then you'll do brief little things back and forth. And now you're having a better time with the game. And then things generally start working better. This kind of, this, this kind of out of use communication is sometimes the best kind ever because now it doesn't. The little things don't matter anymore. So you're, you're not doing. I need to get this little information off. I'm not going to be pinging you off in the bad spot. People give you more leeway on things now because now you've got the, you've got them and you're, you're, you're actually enjoying your time with them. [00:44:20] Speaker C: Yep. All right, I got two more bullet points and we're gonna go over some questions, I think. So bullet point number one. When you're in adc, you need to ping your intention with the wave and, and ping like you want stuff warded. That is kind of class el classico. I think a lot of things in like supports don't really know wave management, but they do know what the push ping means. You have to tell them as the wave is arriving what you want to do with it. [00:44:51] Speaker A: 100%. [00:44:52] Speaker C: You just have to know what you want to do with it. [00:44:54] Speaker A: As the support half of that. It is your job to tell us if you want this pushed or if you want it back. [00:45:01] Speaker C: Yep. Yep. And this is kind of hard because you have to be a good. You have to know what you should do with it. Right. It can be bad. Right. But normally the supports usually have AOE damage. They have their support item that helps kill the melees. Like. Yeah. So you, as the wave is coming in, it has to be pinged what you want to do with it Usually, and maybe not on every wave, but if you want to back, you have to push ping like you just gotta. Because like that, that means we're gonna go reset. Yeah. So the other thing that I wanted to bring up as our last like major point with communication in league, per role, per rank, body language is just as important and it's a lot more subtle. I was in a gang where we had a jungle mumu or Mundo Mundo. And he walked past scuttle without hitting it. Like, as it was close to bot lane, he literally walked past. I was recalling until I saw this. And then I started to go and, like, go in, because, like, dude, he's ganking me. Like, his body language says, I am coming to gank you. Then the second that I stop recalling and looking at the lane to attack it, he turns around, starts hitting the scuttle, and just leaves. So you have to realize that your body language affects your teammates. Like, what you do in the lane affects your teammates. [00:46:32] Speaker A: This is really, really important as a support because your positioning more often than not tells your ad carry what you want to do. Because you make plays at a snap of a finger. You don't have time to be pinging on things. You don't have time to be. To be telling them. You don't have time to do chat, especially if you're playing someone like Leona Blitzcrank Thresh, someone who's throwing a hook, who's going in. If you're positioning forward, you are telling your laner, I want to go in and fight. If you're positioning on the side, you're usually, hey, dictate what we want to do here. And if you're in the back, you are conceding. If you are a tank, you're conceding. And that's really dangerous to be at times. So you need to know what you are saying to them. [00:47:30] Speaker C: Yep. With their body language. [00:47:36] Speaker B: Absolutely. All right, let's move on to a trinket tip and get at least one listener question done before we wrap up for tonight. We came up with two of them, so we're gonna go with the one that you came up with, Codex, because this is kind of your. Your episode to drive. Anyway, so tell us about Vile. [00:47:58] Speaker C: Yeah. So I was in a game with a VI Top, which is not a thing. I just want you all to know VI Top is not a thing. So that vi top that 08 vi top decided to Ult me while I was in her base taking it. And I had just clicked the Hextate the Hextech gate to leave, and her Ult just completely fizzled. And I was like, oh, my goodness gracious. This video game is very old, because, holy cow, I had no idea that that's how that worked. So, yeah, I found out that Vi ult if you become untargetable, if you die or if you are no longer visible, Violt cease and desist will actually fizzle in the. In the channel where she's coming towards you. [00:48:43] Speaker A: I'm not sure about the Invisible one. [00:48:46] Speaker B: If you go invisible. Yes. [00:48:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:48:49] Speaker B: But there's very few effects that will make you go invisible while she is targeting you. [00:48:53] Speaker C: You. [00:48:55] Speaker B: They're pretty much a Kali, mostly just a Kali shroud. [00:48:59] Speaker A: Kaisa e sho, etc. [00:49:01] Speaker B: Yeah, kaisa shako Kha'zix. She gets vision of because she's targeted you. [00:49:09] Speaker C: Interesting. [00:49:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Akali is the big exception on that one because of course she is. Because her shroud was a different kind of invisibility at one point, and now there's just a whole bunch of leftover artifacts of that. Yeah, the. The Hex Gate literally just makes you untargetable once you complete the channel. If you can complete a channel on a Hex Gate before any point and click ability hits you, it fizzles in different ways. Some of them fizzle because of they hit you during the travel and then don't actually do anything because you're untargetable. Like that's what Nautilus Ult will do as it speeds up, as it goes. Cause the travel on Hex Gate is very slow. It depends, but Vile ultimate is the funniest one because you can see this. If you've been playing for a long time, you probably are familiar with people hitting Zhonya's to cancel Vile, but Vladimir can bool to cancel it. Fizz control pole to cancel it. Gwen can just hit her shroud to cancel it. And it's really silly. It makes her ability a lot less reliable than it would otherwise be for ad carries. Xayah can press Ult and cancel it. Now here's the fun part. If you're going untargetable with an ability, do it when she's as close to you as possible. So you've dragged her into her own death but aren't cc'd by her. Just don't press it too late or else you're fucked. But it's really funny because when it cancels it, she. She stops in her tracks where she stands. So if you press it immediately, she just doesn't go anywhere and just wastes her ult. But if you wait till she almost reaches you and then press it, then she's run into your team and then is suddenly just standing there doing nothing. It's great. Okay, let's move on to listener questions. We got a couple questions from Nico who writes. Hey guys, my name is Nico and I'm from Germany. I've been listening to your podcast for a long time. Love it. I play on EU west and I'm not a very good Player. But I still have fun playing ranked. My goal is just to get out of gold. So I have three questions for you guys. I hope that gives you a bit more room and discussion for the next episode. What is your take on one tricking a champ in order to climb out of lower ranks? And which champions would you say are good for climbing while having a good impact? Any damage dealer that's easy to play. [00:51:39] Speaker A: It is smarter to one trick than it is to not one trick. But you should still have it as to climb. Yeah. But you should still have a couple of other things you should know. [00:51:52] Speaker B: Yeah. If you are a true. If you are a true. I am only playing one champion. That champion better be someone who's below 1% pick and ban rate. [00:52:03] Speaker A: Yeah. You need to take a champion that is not seen a lot and be able to do a lot with them. [00:52:12] Speaker B: Yes. Because if you're not doing that, your champion is going to get picked or banned periodically. You need a fallback. You can only dodge every so often. That's the risk of one trick. [00:52:27] Speaker A: The good champions to do this in very much depends on the role. And there's too many per role that we could try and tell you. Does he say his roles mid lane looks like? So he talked about Ahri and Twisted Fate. So as mid laners, Ahri and Twisted Fate pretty good. Twisted Fate gives you pressure. Ahri gives you. Gives you damage, gives you pick. [00:52:48] Speaker B: And both of them can function from behind or ahead. [00:52:52] Speaker A: The only like the only other one that I would say if you're trying to get another champion to put in, get a physical damage dealer so that you have something to fall back on. Tristan is a good one theory. Nafiri is very powerful right now. [00:53:13] Speaker B: Banned a lot. So maybe not right now. [00:53:15] Speaker A: Zed is probably the most banned champion, but he is incredibly strong. So like you should probably have something in case your team has so heavily over indexed and they have Gallio plus like if they have the magic tanks galore. You need something to be able to deal with that. The only other thing I could possibly think of that can like actively deal with heavy magic tanks is technically a zir because he is a DPS attacker. [00:53:51] Speaker B: But don't play Azir if you're not like you need. [00:53:55] Speaker A: You need to learn Azir. And Azir is. Azir is a good person to one trick. But you need to put a lot of time into learning Nazir. So it's better to probably find a physical damage dealer and have that be something that you do. As you're like I Know this tertiary. I will focus on these two. I will know this. [00:54:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:15] Speaker A: All right. [00:54:16] Speaker B: Niko continues. I really like playing Ahri and Twisted Fate right now. In most of the games, I have a very good score and I almost never die. Even though I'm trying to create plays for my team, it still isn't enough to carry the games and win. So my question here is how do I utilize my leads, which I gained in lane when my team doesn't want to follow my lead, When I'm trying to create plays, my initial thought is both Ahri and Twisted Fate can do more than just play. Make both of them are perfectly valid to play as a protective role to protect whoever on your team is actually doing well. Peel people off and kill people who try to kill them. And that's perfectly valid. If your team's not following your plays, you have to follow theirs because you will lose if nobody's following any plays. [00:55:10] Speaker A: The other like option, option. If it's not about following plays, if it's mostly about, like you're trying to do things and it's not working on your half, you need to figure out what kind of plays you're going for. Are you going for dives too many times? Are you trying to do ganks? And ganks aren't being like telegraphed. [00:55:31] Speaker B: Well, it's. [00:55:32] Speaker A: It's a lot of figuring out, like, what is it that is not working here and what can I do? So you're going to probably want to actually do a lot of VOD review. [00:55:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:41] Speaker A: And look at those games because REMTF are possibly two of the best roaming mids possible. Their. Their playmaking is obscene and their damage is high enough that you should have made a play. So what is it that you're missing? You're going to get. You're going to want to go and you're going to want to have open vision so that, you know, like, hey, they. They've been getting vision on me so they know I'm going everywhere. I'm roaming too late to make any effects. I'm wasting too much of my time doing things. I've been just slow to the movement. I've been taking too much time in my lane. These are the sort of things you need to look at and evaluate. [00:56:20] Speaker C: So I'm kind of like hyper indexing on and I almost never die a little bit. So I might be taking this a little out of context, but I gotta be honest with you, I don't expect to see a perfect scoreline out of Aria and Twisted Fate. Like You're. I'm not saying supposed to die, but when I hear that kind of thing, I feel like you're missing opportunities. Like, you aren't sending it enough. Like, get in there, get dirty. [00:56:49] Speaker A: You're playing very cautious. [00:56:51] Speaker C: Like, send it. I almost, to a certain extent, buy another account and just start sending it. Like, hardcore. Like, start figuring out the. [00:56:59] Speaker A: Do not buy an account. Like, no, do not buy an account. [00:57:03] Speaker B: We do not advocate for buying accounts on this podcast. [00:57:06] Speaker A: If you. [00:57:06] Speaker C: If you want an account, if you. [00:57:08] Speaker A: Want a new account level, a new. [00:57:09] Speaker C: Account, for some reason, you're just so worried about your own account. Playing in norms is another place that you can, like, you know, or flex, like, whatever the other queue is. [00:57:19] Speaker B: Join. Join the forewords Discord and come play norms with us. [00:57:24] Speaker A: We're more than happy to talk. We're more than happy to do this. Yeah, talk to us. Come and play. [00:57:29] Speaker B: And I know you're in EU West. We have other EU listeners. Come join the discord and come play with other people on EU West. [00:57:36] Speaker A: They. They actually have problems getting time to play with us sometimes. So, like, this is a good way to possibly find some more people who have time to play with you. Yeah, I. I see TF and I see almost no deaths, and that means I don't think you're using your alt aggressively enough. [00:57:53] Speaker C: Yeah, I want to see. I want to see some deaths under tower. I want to see, like, I want. I want to see it. Bloody score lines. [00:58:03] Speaker B: All right, speaking of bloody scorelines, the last question is I would like to ask you guys, which champs do you consider a troll pick in solo queue right now? And I actually do have a couple answers for this. And I want to explain the why, because it's more than just naming a champion. Balance changes. You need to understand the why. So when balance shifts, you still know why you shouldn't play certain champions in solo queue. My first answer is Nidalee. [00:58:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:36] Speaker B: Frankly, unless you are diamond plus Masters, you should not be playing Nidalee. She currently holds a 45% win rate, which is offensively bad. But Nidalee's entire schtick is farming fast, bringing lots of damage to the table and snowballing games. You can do that on a bunch of other champions that have more fallback patterns. Nidalee is extremely feast or famine, and she's also one of the hardest champions in the game to pilot. [00:59:09] Speaker A: I'm gonna push it harder. You should not be playing Nidalee unless you're a challenger player. Like Nidalee is the peak of the jungle perfection. You need precision in aiming. You need most likely a team comp to go with it. This is. This is like a. If you're playing this in a game, you better be playing normals with me because that. There's no reason to be playing Nidalee. [00:59:38] Speaker B: I'm morbidly curious and looking up her stats in Challenger specifically, she rises to a 46% win rate. [00:59:47] Speaker A: Don't play n. Don't we. [00:59:50] Speaker B: We. [00:59:50] Speaker A: We were talking about this earlier. She is possibly the most difficult to pilot jungler in the game. Do not make this harder for yourself and then make it harder for everyone else. She can do a lot of damage. You have a very, very hard time utilizing her to her optimal. You're not going to get pathings right. You're not going to get timings right. Play a bunch of other things first. I would rather see Darius Jungle again. And I don't like Darius Jungle. [01:00:25] Speaker B: Yep. So I think Nidalee stands out in that regard. But the other champions that I can think of that should be in this category are we already mentioned Azir, Ryze. [01:00:38] Speaker C: And Kalista actually say Kalista for adc. [01:00:41] Speaker B: All of these champions have one thing in common. They are extremely powerful in pro play, which means they are artificially made weak because what they bring to the table is really strong and highly organized play. So they are made weaker by design because if they were as strong as everyone else and brought so much value to organized play, they would push out every other pick in the game. So they are deliberately kept weak in disorganized play to keep them on par. In organized play. You should not be playing Azir, Ryze or Kalista in solo queue because you are not pros. You are not in organized 5v5 on comps. [01:01:33] Speaker A: If you like the champion, play it enormous, play it in Arams. There are many champions that do the same thing. I talked about Azir. Cassiopeia does the same thing as Azir half the time. [01:01:44] Speaker B: Yeah. I will say I think of these three, Azir is the most solo queue friendly by far. And I would put him more in the boat of like Cassiopeia where I don't think you should play him in solo queue. I don't think you should play her in solo queue. But I certainly think you're trolling less if you're playing Cassiopeia or Azir than if you're playing Ryze or Kalista. [01:02:06] Speaker A: They have a purpose to serve that no other champion can do. And so there are reasons to see them. Nidalee doesn't bring CC Rise. Yeah, he can do some things that no one else can do, but to utilize him to his best requires so much skill. [01:02:30] Speaker B: Not just skill, but coordination. [01:02:33] Speaker A: Yeah, you're basically one of your abilities doesn't exist unless you're properly utilizing it. Mostly with other people. Because that's what it's for. [01:02:41] Speaker B: Yep. [01:02:46] Speaker A: The other thing I would say would be like taking picks into lanes they don't belong. [01:02:51] Speaker C: Yeah, no Yumi Mid, guys. I actually just won a game off patrol that was doing Yumi mid. Jesus Christ, man. [01:03:00] Speaker B: So, speaking of champions, in lanes they don't belong in, I would consider Lucian in the bot lane to be a troll pick, because everyone knows Lucian belongs in the top lane. [01:03:12] Speaker C: Nice. [01:03:13] Speaker B: All right. [01:03:13] Speaker A: Sarcasm. Sarcasm. [01:03:16] Speaker B: Yes. With that. That's the Lucian Top we're getting this week. This has been episode 478 of the Forwards podcast. Guys, seriously. Right in. 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